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From Ayn Rand I had to add a couple of hers to my sig.


The common good of a collective -- a race, a class, a state -- was the claim and justification of every tyranny ever established over men. Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive. Has any act of selfishness ever equaled the carnage perpetrated by disciples of altruism? Does the fault lie in men's hypocrisy or in the nature of the principle? The most dreadful butchers were the most sincere. The believed in the perfect society reached through the guillotine and the firing squad. Nobody questioned their right to murder since they were murdering for an altruistic purpose. It was accepted that man must be sacrificed for other men. Actors change, but the course of the tragedy remains the same. A humanitarian who starts with the declarations of love for mankind and ends with a sea of blood. It goes on and will go on so long as men believe that an action is good if it is unselfish. That permits the altruist to act and forces his victims to bear it. The leaders of collectivist movements ask nothing of themselves. But observe the results.

Ayn Rand
 

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I love Ayn Rand. Atlas Shrugged, I think was my favorite book. I think she is so right on.

A humanitarian who starts with the declarations of love for mankind and ends with a sea of blood.
Did you copy this exactly? It looks like something is left out...OR...is the "and" after mankind not suppose to be there? I'm just wondering if there is more to that sentence.

Anyhow, her philosophy is extreme, but when you see the principles, you see that it has to be extreme or the principles and their results fall flat.
 

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Sounds a whole lot like what Glenn Beck had to say the other day.

I was care taking my friend's cats while she was away last week, and for the first time EVER I happened on the Glenn Beck talk show on the radio during my drive out to her place. I left it because I've heard his name brought up countless times and wanted to hear what all the hype was about.

He mentioned this "common good" certain officials keep spouting and said that kind of BS leads to death camps :eek: That caught my attention because at first I thought he was joking and was waiting for a punch line. He went on to explain much of what you have there by Ayn Rand.........and also spoke about what happened within the last 60-80 years RIGHT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. America, where things like that just would NEVER happen if we are all fighting for the "common good" Of course he was talking about the rounding up of American citizens of Japanese heritage and locking them down, among other incidents of the same nature.

I agree, many things start out altruistic and end up horribly, horribly wrong.
 

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I love Ayn Rand. Atlas Shrugged, I think was my favorite book. I think she is so right on.



Did you copy this exactly? It looks like something is left out...OR...is the "and" after mankind not suppose to be there? I'm just wondering if there is more to that sentence.

Anyhow, her philosophy is extreme, but when you see the principles, you see that it has to be extreme or the principles and their results fall flat.
I copied it off of a quote site exactly.
 

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Sounds a whole lot like what Glenn Beck had to say the other day.

I was care taking my friend's cats while she was away last week, and for the first time EVER I happened on the Glenn Beck talk show on the radio during my drive out to her place. I left it because I've heard his name brought up countless times and wanted to hear what all the hype was about.

He mentioned this "common good" certain officials keep spouting and said that kind of BS leads to death camps :eek: That caught my attention because at first I thought he was joking and was waiting for a punch line. He went on to explain much of what you have there by Ayn Rand.........and also spoke about what happened within the last 60-80 years RIGHT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. America, where things like that just would NEVER happen if we are all fighting for the "common good" Of course he was talking about the rounding up of American citizens of Japanese heritage and locking them down, among other incidents of the same nature.

I agree, many things start out altruistic and end up horribly, horribly wrong.
I am not a big fan of Beck. He has shown to me that he wants freedom for what he believes in, yet wants to control others. Just taking from what you have posted I can see how death camps can form. Put an ugly face on the people held within and not many people will care about the well being of those people. I wonder how those folks we captured from Afghanistan and never put to trial are doing.
 

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Very few things actually start out altruistically -- they are generally self-serving acts cloaked in borrowed rags -- a metaphorical ghillie suit.
I would disagree. I consider myself pretty jaded, but I'm not jaded enough think that yet, LOL
 

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