Puppy question

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  1. Gypsydals

    Gypsydals New Member

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    I am hoping that in June I will be adding to the zoo here. And that got me thinking about the wierd things that Ivan does. He is a big smack talker(even does it in his sleep). He has to voice his opinion in some way shape or form. He is the first constant smack talker I have ever had. So much so I have trouble getting him to shut up at times. Anyway I was wondering if the new puppy would pick up the smack talking or could it possible the smack talking is just Ivans personality? And I am worrying about something that may not happen?
     
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    I'd say it's possible, barking tends to be one of those things dogs like to do together, it's no guarantee of course but if you could you might want to try and train him to contain himself before adding the pup or start immediately training the new pup to disregard Ivan's barking right off the bat (treat her for staying shut while Ivan barks, I'm not sure how effective this is but it might work). Now if he's less of a barker and more of a moany grumbly talker then the pup might be less inclined to join in, it's usually barking and howling that makes dogs sing with the chorus. The pup will probably not talk for no reason unless he gets something out of it, if he ends up being like Ivan and simply likes the sound and feeling of making noise then you'll have another ivan type. If he only does it because ivan is doing it then you'll only get noise from him when ivan is making noise and if you accidentally teach him that his noise gets him attention or other good things you'll teach him to talk a lot so be sure to ignore talking by walking right out on the pup or interrupt without paying attention by maybe squeaking your shoe on the ground or making another curious noise while not looking at pup so he closes his mouth, wait for a few seconds of silence and then redirect pup to doing something else like playing with a toy.

    what kind of puppy are you getting? Shelter/rescue or breeder? Don't forget pictures!!
     
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    I know that Ollie rarely barks unless the has barking visiters . Usually if I check and give an " all clear " all cool .
     
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    Count on it mwahahahaha ;)

    Maxy's advice was great. I have nothing to add to it.
     
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    Agree with Maxy.

    My dog does some alarm-barking when she hears something, but it's not excessive and she stops when I tell her to. My roommate's dog does the same thing. But get them together barking, and it's HARD to get them to stop! Luckily it seems that when they are separated they don't bark as much, so that's good, but then again they've only been living together for a few months.... I don't know if it'd be different if they grew up together....
     
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    Maxy she will be another Dal. He is a barker, howler, moaner, any kind of noise imaginable and some that you would never imagine LOL. And yes there will be pictures when I do get her. Right now we are keeping our fingers crossed that the bitch is preggers(we should know sometime this week).
     
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    Aww, I'll be thinking Dal puppy thoughts!! Are you going to the same breeder that Ivan is from?
     
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    Yes K9 she will be from the same breeder.
     
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    I was going to ask this earlier but forgot. Maxy any ideas on how to teach him to contain himself?
     
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    What do you mean "contain himself"???
     
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    ^^^^ She's quoting me:
    What can you tell us about the talking. Is there anything that sets him off, does he do it to someone (only does it when someone is present) or do it when playing? Anything that might make it more predictable would help. For instance if it is something he does towards people responding by walking out of the room would work, if he did it during play responding by ending the game would help.

    If it's just one of those things he does for no reason at all you could put it on cue. Train a command for talking and say it as soon as he starts making his noises, encourage him for a few seconds and then go silent and as soon as he stops making noise say a command that means be quiet (you could use a hand signal as well to make things more clear) and reward him for his silence. Once he gets used to this try doing it in the middle of his "speech" and see if he stops for his reward. This gives you an off switch which you can use whenever he starts getting loud.

    You could also use some sort of noise to distract him when he starts, a high pitched noise often makes a dog stop to listen (like a yelp), reward for a few seconds of silence and then reward every few seconds for continued silence until you think his urge to speak is all gone. Always use a soft or squeaky noise never a booming noise, regular voice or a clapping noise as they may encourage barking. If he ever remains silent when presented with something that usually gets him barking then reward him. reward him when he looks like he wants to talk but chooses not to (if he has an "I'm about to make noise" look).

    Dogs who actually bark at a stimulus are easier because you can set them up for training time where with Ivan you can't control the stimulus because there is none and chances are that his talking is rewarding so stopping his talking before it gets going or giving him an on and off switch will be the way to go.


    What would he do if he was making his noise and you abruptly got up and walked out of the room? If when he started making noise you walked into his space and body blocked him (make him back up) would he close his mouth? You need to find something that closes his mouth so that you can stop him before he gets going and can then reward him for continued silence.
     
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    He will get vocal when playing, when he sees something out of place (people outside, cats outside), when Peewee walks through the house. Sometimes he has be baffled as to why hes doing it.
    If I got up and walked away while hes barking, he might look at me and go back to it. If hes in his crate he wouldn't stop. As far as walking into him or getting in his space to make him move, no that doesn't shut him up.
    I know I've tried a water bottle with him, and well that didn't work cause he enjoys the water bottle, but to some extent it did work. But he just redirected what he was making the noise at and changed it from a bark and/or wine to groaning noises as hes trying to catch the water. His noise making is the only thing holding us back from doing rally. When he gets going and not in his crate would removing him to the bathroom for a minute or so work?
     
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    Anything that gives silence long enough for reinforcment will work. What you are not aiming for is a punishment that will be bad enough to eliminate his barking because chances are that would be a pretty harsh punishment, you should be trying to find some sort of interrupter or mild punishment (like walking out of the room, removing him from the room, ending play etc.) that makes him stop for a second so you can reward for stopping and then reward for him remaining quiet (treat every few seconds but slowly increase time between treats) until he is calm again and/or you can redirect him onto doing something else.

    For things like playing always end play when he gets too vocal (unless you find play the one time he is allowed to be loud as some people do). If you can do set ups by using some sort of stimulus to get him barking and reward when barking stops. Eventually the dog will stop faster for his reward. Then reward for any time the dog does not bark.

    Your best bet however may be putting it on cue.
     
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    Thanks Maxy I will try those things.

    BTW I got news tonight on puppies. It is CONFIRMED, she is pregnant and due around April 17th. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa
     

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