Puppy biting and drawing blood

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What do you mean a devil dog over a cardboard box? What did she do?

That is odd that your nephew doesn't like animals. What do you suppose caused that?
She started off trying to eat the cardboard. She did a bit. We tried the toy trade thing but it didn't work. I think she knew we were trying to trade and she didn't want to give up her prized cardboard for a boring old toy. She growled a bit, made some weird noise and was trying to bite us. I think she was trying to say 'Leave me in peace to eat this box, goddammit!' The energy and force behind the biting is why I said devil dog. It was scary and I was quite saddened because she had been such a good girl then she suddenly wasn't. :(
I think since Katie arrived, my nephew has gotten better with animals. Like before, when he was out for a walk, there was a cat sitting on a wall. He was scared of it. I think he's not an animal lover. It is weird since he has only had postive or neutral situations wiht lots of species.
 

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I think she knew we were trying to trade and she didn't want to give up her prized cardboard for a boring old toy.
Always, when you trade, trade up. Give her something of higher value than the thing you want to take away. She must learn that giving you things is ALWAYS profitable.
 

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I got a cavalier because many books and websites said great for first time dog owners and those with kids. I thought that would be perfect. She's getting worse not better. I would've adopted an abandoned dog from the shelter if I thought I was going to have this. The trading thing only works sometimes. How do you trade up from a treat? And she's started growling more when we pick her up. She had growled before at other members of my family but today was the first time for me and it was the loudest and most angriest growl to date. And it's not that I picked her up awkwardly and hurt her - I had only just put my hands on her and she started the growl. The trade is not working well. Once we have hold of the item, she doesn't try to get the item back, she tries to bite us, teeth showing then a snap to our hands. I don't know what to do. She's so loving sometimes and then she has times like this - eyes bulging with fire in them. She scares me because she is only a 3 month old puppy and I can't even sort this out. I cry nearly everyday because I want her to realise that I may not be able to do her and have to give her up because I don't know what to do.
 

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I forgot to mention that with the treat trade up, she took the treat then bit the hand. She's off to puppy training classes next week which I hope will avert her energy to more positive things.
 

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Are you practicing NILIF?http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/nothingfree.htm

Lower the value of the item that she has that you want to trade for. She is viewing whatever she has too highly. Put those higher value things away for now. If she growls or bites when you take something....she does not get to have it again until she's been counter conditioned to this. Don't give her the treat UNTIL you have the toy or whatever she has. Show it to her though. (for now) Just show it until she opens her mouth to take it, even let her nibble and don't let go UNTIL you have the toy in your other hand. As she releases it, say, "give." Then release the treat into her mouth and make a fuss. Praise her, make it into a fun game and give the toy immediately back to her and say, "take." Run around, have her chase you. Play with her. Do it again. Don't do this repitition too many times in one sitting. If she is successful and gives you the toy nicely even one time. QUIT! STOP! End the session. Give her a jackpot....yummy, big treat. Give her the toy to play with for maybe 10 minutes and then go to her, either trade her again or change the subject and just sneak the toy away so you can put it away. And give her something else to do; hide and seek, take a walk, find hidden treats.

Remember to start with a boring toy, but one she still likes enough to hold in her mouth. AND always think about the value of the treat that you're trading. the value of the thing you're giving her in exchange for what she has needs to be incrementally matched. For example: She has a low value toy for your beginning practice. You have a treat that is going to be better to her than the toy. However, don't make it the best that you could ever come up with because as you work up to practicing with higher value toys, you need somewhere to go with the treats: up. Save yourself some "playing" room in other words. So say you start out with something she likes all right, but isn't "ape" over. You trade her for a little hard training treat from Pet Smart. (on a hungry stomach...try to practice on a hungry stomach) After a few days or so of practice this way, move up to a toy she likes better, likes quite well, but still isn't obsessed with. Raise the value of your treat accordingly....maybe a tiny piece of mozerella cheese. Practice that for a few days. Then a more valued toy you'll trade for a piece of liver, say. Never move forward to higher value stuff if she is not showing complete comfort in trading those things. Then when the session is over, all toys get put away. You control when and where she will play with toys. You make it so the only time she has fun is when YOU'RE playing with her the give and take game. Make it a game though, not a...."I'm the boss and you have to give me that." (Not saying you are.....just a general warning thing) More like, "Yippeeeeee....let's go! Woo hoo. Come on....here, take. Let's go, slap you thigh, then show the treat and say, "give" and trade, give her the treat, give her back the toy, run around." Make it a game-like thing.

Are you trying to just take the toy with a matter of fact attitude or are you playing with her and getting her into the game "mode?" If she is playing and having fun giving you something because it behooves her to, she shouldn't be biting you aggressively. Are you sure she is P.O'd and not just being a wild puppy? I am not thinking that you're necessarily doing anything wrong. I'm just trying to make sure. Over the Internet it is so hard when you can't watch the whole scene.

Get the book, Mine, by Jean Donaldson. I recommend it highly. You'll get this dog turned around with some learning and some diligent, systematic counter conditioning. Don't use punishment because that makes a dog even more defensive. The idea is to teach the dog that it is fun and it behooves him to give you something.

Start making her more dependent on you to live. LOL. Hand feed her. Trade her a handful of kibble for a sit or down. Don't leave toys out unless you're playing the give and take game. No furniture privileges for now. Show her a dog bed and reinforce her for being on that. Prevent her from going on whatever piece of furniture she wants. Have her sit/wait before going outside. Don't lavish her with attention until she does something for you first. Be more aloof and stop giving her things for free. Everything she finds pleasurable, she needs to perform something first. You control all the things she finds pleasurable or wants. You control her environment. Deprivation raises the value of things. Play that trading game when she's hungry. Practice obedience when she's hungry whenever you can. And little times inbetween.

Good luck in your training class. Hope that trainer can give you more hands on help. Keep us posted.
 

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Hi all! This is the latest on Katie.
I'm sure she is being aggressive. She shows teeth and force that I have only seen angry adult dogs do. But my Dad says she's being aggressive to him when she is play biting, no matter how many times I have explained to him.
The things she has of high value can be things she has picked up off the street such as a bit of plastic that we do not want her to swallow. So it is impossible to hide all the things see she's as high value.
Have tried the game mode. It works 25% of the time.
At first, I guess I was doing the treat thing wrong. I was hold out the treat to her, she came for the treat, ate it, I took the whatever and then she went for me.
The last few days, I have been very upset, and I have not been trying to make it fun to hand it over. Instead, I have been very laid back, said nothing to her, show her a toy, let her see it, took hold of the whatever and given the toy instead. She has not wanted to give the item over but she hasn't been menancing or has not once tried to bite me even though she had great opportunity to. I don't know if I am doing right but I was so upset with her that admit I didn't try to make it fun. But I am happy that she did not try to make it scary.
Katie had her first training class yesterday. She was nervous at first as she has never seen so many dogs/puppies of lots of different breeds all at once. She was whimpering and was jumping up at me trying to get my attention. But she went up to the other puppies and was wagging her tail like it would come off from then on. Even one of the trainers noted 'Katie, your tail has not stopped wagging!' She LOVES meeting people and other dogs. We asked one of the trainers about her aggressive posessiveness and this was the advice he gave us: show her who the boss is. It's all in the body language. Wow! What great advice. That's like saying to a dance student to move your arms and legs about. More info please!
Anyway, all the first timers had their own class - there were 3 of us. I wanted to cry because the other 2 puppies were doing everything right and Katie was not doing it at all. I think I would've burst into tears if it wasn't for her doing the next exercise perfectly. She was the best of the 3 at the watch and the heel work :) I felt like a proud mother. And she already knew sit and doesn't need a treat anymore to do it. The trainer tried to do the exercise that she wouldn't do which was down. He did manage to get Katie to lie down but that was after some trying with her. He tried to get her to sit, his way, with the treat but Katie was after a fluff, hair and dirt ball that had gathered on the floor and was more interested in eating that than the treat that the trainer had right on her nose. The trainer never picked Katie once to use in his demo on how the training should be done :( She was very excited that she was getting herself tangled up in her lead. The trainer said he thinks he is going to have trouble training her because she has fire in her :( The trainer also recommended walkies 3 times a day for 10 minutes. I have been giving her more than that and she still has lots of energy. Should I do what the trainer says or keep to my routine? Morning work is usually 30mins, before dinner walk usually about 10 mins, afternoon walk about 10-20mins (depending what's on that day) and evening walk about 30 mins.
Next week, we're in the class with all the puppies. She is going to be even more excited. We have been given homework which we have to show we can do, next lesson. I'm very worried because I hate doing things in front of a group of people especially if Katie and I can't do it. We're going to work hard on the down and practice a bit more on the advanced heelwork. And I'm going to practice more on the the recall. Katie is doing her part perfectly on that and I keep messing my bit up - lol!
 

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