Prime puppymill real estate for sale

[J's crew]

It's not her property. This has gotten a little confusing. So now the argument is over what constitutes a puppy mill or not. And whether or not coated dogs can be kept on wires etc.....

Ahhh, thanks

 

[J's crew]

heh, it's okay. I know what the intentions are and it is appreciated, I'm sure, to those that really do have questions and want some answers.

so, if anyone wants the link, bug J's crew.

*runs*

:yikes:

 

[FrenchKissed]

I'm a bit confused, and rather than assumptions I figured I'd ask first...

You breed Golden Retrievers and Chins, correct?

Yet you also listed Great Pyr puppies on next day pets. Do you breed them as well?

Yes. I breed Goldens and Chin.

I co-own the pyrs with the pyr breeder. She is older and unfamiliar with the internet. I help her list her dogs and build her website. We have traveled abroad together and brought back imports as well (which are now champions).

 

[cockerchaos]

So what are the differences between,

Profesional breeders,

Hobby breeders,

BYBs and

Puppymills?

There has been much debate on a clear cut definition but here is a basic breakdown on each. The second link goes a step further and adds Commercial Breeders in the mix you listed...I found this one a pretty good breakdown although there could be some debate in some of the definitions.

http://www.icelanddogs.com/Breeder-types.html

http://www.shilohshepherds.com/puppyBreeders/breederMatrixv4.htm

 

[blue]

I was hoping for what FK felt the differences where, not a cut and paste ready made answer.

 

[smkie]

i haven't read most of this thread, i saw the pic and that was enough to make me sick. All i can say about those cages is i hope someone goes out and destroys them before they can ever imprison anything again. THat is all they are good for. IF a person thinks textured concrete can wear a pad sore, just imagine what wire like that would do to a cage crazy animal.

 

[ToscasMom]

Originally Posted by FrenchKissed
I appologize I did not see it.

Honestly I don't join boards with the motivation of accomplishing something. Usually it's for the enjoyment of conversation and exchange of ideas. Even if those ideas are not regularly accepted.

Sure you do, Mrs Loggins. You came here on a bulldozer acting like everybody should just crap every time you spoke. I watched you dump all over nice people, one of which you are not, even if you weren't a puppy mill mama. Furthermore, Mrs.Loggins, I watched you crap all over an innocent poster looking for advice on a sick dog, and who kind of thought that paying out $700 bucks for a dog that was sick the day after he picked it up was a bit steep and he/she was looking for an avenue of recompense. You told him that a judge in court of claims would "Bite his head off,". I would imagine you've been there a few times yourself and got YOUR head bitten off instead. {edited by mod- please, no personal attacks} In your case, that would be called Poetic Justice. From my lips to God's ears.

 

[ToscasMom]

but you didn't answer MY question....what is it you hope to accomplish here?

She hopes to convince good people that sh!t is ice cream.

 

[FrenchKissed]

Sure you do, Mrs Loggins. You came here on a bulldozer acting like everybody should just crap every time you spoke. I watched you dump all over nice people, one of which you are not, even if you weren't a puppy mill mama. Furthermore, Mrs.Loggins, I watched you crap all over an innocent poster looking for advice on a sick dog, and who kind of thought that paying out $700 bucks for a dog that was sick the day after he picked it up was a bit steep and he/she was looking for an avenue of recompense. You told him that a judge in court of claims would "Bite his head off,". I would imagine you've been there a few times yourself and got YOUR head bitten off instead. {edited by mod} In your case, that would be called Poetic Justice. From my lips to God's ears.

Does using my last name empower you? I'm glad it makes you feel better about yourself. Feel free to use it. Anything I can do to give you purpose and motive.
First. I have not "dumped" on any one. I have not made derogatory, inflamatory, nasty name calling remarks. No. That's your game not mine.

As for the poster about the sick dog. I spoke honestly. IF there is a problem take it back. Why is that so hard?

Ah...the tirades of the Animal Rights Follower. How classic. I will have to print this out and save it for posterity.

 

[drmom777]

Ah...the tirades of the Animal Rights Follower. How classic. I will have to print this out and save it for prosterity.

Prosterity? Is that anything like Prostate?

 

[~Jessie~]

Prosterity? Is that anything like Prostate?

Maybe she's so angry because her prostate is all swollen up :yikes: :lol-sign:

 

[blue]

So you arent going to give me your opinion on what makes a puppy mill different from a BYB different from a Hobby breeder different from a Professional breeder?

 

[Doberluv]

Prosterity? Is that anything like Prostate?

 

[FrenchKissed]

Prosterity? Is that anything like Prostate?

I guess it could be...

 

[smkie]

i think Blue the difference is quanity..it certainly isn't quality both are backed by ignorance and greed.

 

[FrenchKissed]

So you arent going to give me your opinion on what makes a puppy mill different from a BYB different from a Hobby breeder different from a Professional breeder?

I try not to use the word puppymill. It is an over used misunderstood derogatory slanderous term that has lost just about any and all meaning as it has been applied to anyone and everyone, you just don't have to like them.
Same with BYB. Its an old tired term with little or no grounds or use except to malign and abuse people.

Here is how I prefer to catagorize things. Although sometimes I slip...

HobbyBreeder--some one involved in the competative sport of dogs. The goal of the breedings are usually focused on producing contenders in their chosen arena.

ProfessionalBreeder--Involved in dogs producing competative animals for their chosen arena. These breeders would have a kennel and the primary income would be from the sport of dogs, the dogs, or some aspect of the fancy.

Commercialbreeder--Not invoved in the fancy. Sole purpose is to produce pets to sell to the public. Either direct or indirect.

Home Pet breeder--JQP who chooses to breed their dog. Usually they have little to no knowledge about their breed and do it by motive of loving their dog or cat.

Unethicalbreeder--any person or persons who fails to keep dogs in AWA conditions. They may or may not show. They may have one or 100 dogs.

 

[blue]

So IYHO this house is set up for hobby or professional breeding?

 

[shadowfacedanes]

And how would you classify yourself?

 

[shadowfacedanes]

I try not to use the word puppymill. It is an over used misunderstood derogatory slanderous term that has lost just about any and all meaning as it has been applied to anyone and everyone, you just don't have to like them.
Same with BYB. Its an old tired term with little or no grounds or use except to malign and abuse people.

.

Oh yes, puppymillers and BYB's *never* abuse the people they prey upon do they? Let's defend them, shall we?

 

[FrenchKissed]

And how would you classify yourself?

I am some where between hobby and professional. I do board and groom for the public, but I am semi-retired from it and don't do it full time any more.