pressa vs cane corso

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  1. FoxyWench

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    im having a hard time seeing all that much difference between the 2 breeds other than the pressa was originally more of a farm dog while the cane was developed more for the home.

    there both stunning breeds that im semi possibly considering for the VERY far future and have been talking to so owners online and everything there saying the 2 breeds SOUND very similar...

    mabe im missing something?
    or are they actually similar breeds.

    as a side note i would be looking for a large powerfull devoted (but independant) thinking dog that could double as a "home security system" (i will be learning to handle a gun long before this point and the dog would NOT be used in place of common sense, self protection and actually securing my home, but you get the idea.)

    in this "grand plan" of mine i would be living alone, with my dogs, 3 chinese cresteds 1 or 2 LGD's and some goats, alpaca, chicken ect...
    having a dog who i could hook up a cart to would be nice to help me out wiht some of the heavier farm chores...
    but hed be a seperate entity (while raised and socilized with all the farm animals) from the LGD's and farm itself.
    (in otherwords while the lgd's sleep out with the animals...hed sleep in the home with me and the 3 cresties who woudl make up an alarm system :p)

    and yes ive got alot of time to do PLENTY more reserch on all the breeds im considering for that curently very distant future...
    but i figure why wait on the reserch?!

    im also very interested in the fila and the boerboel, but there less "similar" than these 2 breeds and id realy like to know if there are any real differences in traits, personalities ect between these 2 breeds.
     
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    Actually, a good Rottie might work well for you too. They've got the rep and visual intimidation factor (not to mention one heck of a bark!) and is a breed traditionally used for light drafting. They also (can) have decent herding instincts.
     
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    I'd be concerned with both of those breeds, finding an individual who wasn't prone to DA. Especially living with the cresties.
     
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    the presa was also a fighting dog for a long time & the modern incarnation has alot of pit & fighting bulldogs in the background, so like a wellbred pit it could turn on w/o any warning at all.
     
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    With Presa Canario, they are very likely to be DA, at least to the same sex. They also tend to have a high prey drive, as many of them were (and some still are) used as catch dogs, so I would be worried about how they'd view your cresties. There is actually a pretty steep divide in the Presa Canario world. Working dogs, considered the "real" dogs, are called Dogo Canario, while the show dogs are called Presa Canario. I hang out on a Presa Canario forum called ElPresa.com - Home, and they get in discussions about this frequently. index is another good site for working Presa/Dogo Canario.

    From what I've read, its harder to find a good working Corso than a good working Presa. Corsi tend to be much more friendly with other dogs though. I have seen many, many, many pictures of Corsi with multiple other dogs, small and large. (DA is not faulted in the breed if it comes up.)
     
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    i thought it was the other way around the show breeders went w/ FCI dogo designation & the working breeders like red star (back when alex was still there) stayed w/ the term presa.
     
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    i have heard that the pressa can have dog issues...
    but ive also talked to a couple pressa owners who have multi dog homes with no problems...so i wasnt sure if this was the traditional for the breed.
    admittedly i havent talked to that many owners and i think im going to take alook around that forum...

    but the corso, now its mentioned, yes i have heard more "multi dog" feedback from corso homes than the pressa. id definatly need a dog to be less likley to not only be dog agressive, but also having a catch dog around goats and pigs now i put some real thought into it...
    i think a pressa would be less "stable" around a farm considering...

    i have looked into rotties too, they are stunning dogs but im not sure a rottie is for me.
    and in all honesty, im still madly in love with danes lol.

    thanks for the info so far, any more would be wonderfull.
    does anyone have a good corso forum?!
     
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    Presa Canario in multiple dog homes are like APBT in multiple dog homes - it can happen, but its not the norm.

    I lurk on Corso Talk - Cane Corso Message Board, and if you do a google search, some others will come up. Just a warning, people in these large guardian breeds tend to believe heavily in dominance theory, so don't be shocked when you go into the training forum and there are posts bragging about how they alpha-rolled their dogs and showed them who's boss. (I tend to just look at pics and read posts in the general forum).
     
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    Isn't one breed slightly larger/taller? I don't remember.

    As far as dog issues there is a presa that regularly goes to our dog park...he is still young though, hes a goofy dog :)



    ugh I think I found burst into flames if I even glanced at it.
     
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    At the working dog expo there were lots of both breeds (I think it was hosted by the corso club). We had more than a few of both breeds snarling at the ends of their leashes at Strider as we walked past.

    Honestly foxy, I'd probably look into some of the euro danes. They have a heavier, more utilitarian build than a lot of the american lines. You're more likely to get a dog than can coexist with other dogs and livestock happily that way.

    My mom's neighbor has a black german import male and he is stunning. She has done some pp with him. He puts up an extremely impressive (and freaky!!) display on command for people coming onto her property, yet is a marshmallow when she tells him it's okay to socialize both with people and other dogs.

    ETA: She also lives in a very similar situation to what you're describing Foxy. She has a herd of goats, a giant flock of geese and a flock of turkeys, with smaller poultry here and there. Some rabbits, etc. She's in her 70s and lives alone. Max doesn't let anybody onto her land without her knowing. And when he alerts, they crap their pants and run the other way, lol. He does great with all the other animals, including her macaws.

    She has a pair of ACDs that live with the goats and have access to the poultry pens in case they need to destroy a raccoon.
     
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    i do LOVE the danes, i just dont love that short lifespan :(
     
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    CC is more Mastiff in temperament and look. Presa IMHO is higher Drive and when you find a good working one it would make a better defender than the CC (That again IMHO).

    If you do decide on a Presa the two best kennels are
    Pet Boarding Minneapolis | Dog Kennels and Trainer Minneapolis MN
    OAKLEAF RANCH WORKING PRESA CANARIOS

    Especially Red Star, they are not show dogs but her kennel has the most working titled Presas produced by far. They are not cheap 2-3k but if you want health tested and working Presas you'll find what you are looking for there. They also raise serious working Mals.

    Irina (Redstar) really knows dogs and training protection dogs and protection sports.

    with all that said....

    Talk to planet molosser because I actually think a better fit for you would be a Central Asian Shepherd. The CAS is a true LGD where as a Presa or CC really isn't.

    My understanding is that a CAS is much better working with other dogs and animals in general.
     
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    im actually thinking about CAS already as my LGD...but they might be too much dog for me, they are gorgeous though.

    right now the cane corso is definatly looking like a better fit for me than the pressa would be...
     
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    I remember PM mentioning at one point that they get dogs with temperaments all across the spectrum in the breed rescue. Some very soft teddy bears, and others very sharp, hard dogs. When the time is right you may find the perfect one waiting for a home. Or PM might be able to refer you to someone who produces dogs with the kind of temperament you like. Even in a working bred litter you get some variation.
     
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    If you don't want something as sharp as a CAS.. Have you thought about a Tibetan Mastiff?

    They can have same-sex aggression however their prey drive is minimal compared to a Presa or a Corso, as they are LGD's.. but they property guard and do not bond like a Maremma does with livestock.

    I don't know much about Maremma's and they may not be what you're looking for.. but you can check them out. I know that they don't have any major dog issues, are a true LGD, and have zero prey drive.
     
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    Ah...I miss read, I thought you wanted the CC or Presa as your LGD. That makes sense to me now. Have you thought about an American Bulldog instead of a CC or Presa?
     
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    i havent, i dont realy know much about them.
    i always worry about the bulldogs (of any prefix) famous skin issues...
     
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    There are a couple of Canes in my weight pull association. They're beautiful dogs, nice obedience, but have to be separated every now and then, even though they're the same sex. From watching those two and talking to their experienced owner, and what I've read about them, I don't think I'd be too quick to leave one in a home with the Cresties.
     
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    A woman with a Cane has been coming to where I train Gunnar. It will be a LONG process before the dog gets to bite a sleeve. It's so fearful that right now the training consists of the handler holding the leash, the decoy moving in, and if the dog takes a single step forward towards the decoy and barks, he runs away to build the dog's confidence. If anyone were to rush the dog it'd be done for good, it's that bad. I'm sure this is an extreme example though, I can't imagine this is typical of the breed.
     
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    i have no worries on dogs being alone together EVER, the cresties are crate trained, i dont mind leaving the cresties and wowies loose togehter, but with anything over 25lbs, its not worth the risk, no matter what large breed i get, even if its the sweetest softest most teddy bear dog in the univers with the other dogs, the cresties will be crated at night, and during the day "big dog" will be with me, or the cresties will be with me, and if any are home togehter, itll either be crated or seperated.
    especially with jasper, hes such a trouble maker lol.
    right now when we go out and leave them all home there restricted to the living/dining/kitchen. area, the rest of the house is closed off.
     

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