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Lilavati

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LOL -- that's funny...my Dad and a few other's wont put up McCain signs in our town...the reason being because he doesnt want our house to burn down. One of the guys who did have a sign took it down after the few McCain supporters warned him how intolerant the people in our town where.

Lil -- alot of those things you listed may or may not be about religion. In my case -- for all of them...they're not. Abortion for me is a responsability issue, gay marriage for me is a meh (I dont really care either way) issue; sex education for kids younger than 5th grade is a nonsensical issue (considering the first kids to have sex in my school had it a couple of weeks after our first sex ed class in fifth grade). None of that is religion...it isnt tied to any of my beliefs in catholicism or judaism...it's tied to my personal core values and experiences and what I believe is right from those values and experiences.

Rev. Wright wasnt about religion either, at least in my opinion....it was about associations with an American-Hating, racist-spewing bigot.

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I'm not saying that is true of all people who support McCain . . only that saying religion has no part in it is false. For many people, religion has a HUGE part in it. However, we, all of us, are human beings, and can have opinions for many reasons. My main point was that in many cases, it is very clear that people hold certain opinions because of religion, not that all people who have those opinions have them for that reason.
 

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I have to go look at the empathy one. I've heard it refered to, but haven't investigated. As for this one:

Is his provision of a "tax cut" to millions of Americans who currently pay no taxes merely a foreshadowing of constitutional rights to welfare, health care, Social Security, vacation time and the redistribution of wealth?
Two points:

One, the federal income tax is not the only tax that people pay. Having been quite poor, and recieved the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit), let me tell you, I wasn't paying Federal income tax, but I was paying all sorts of other taxes: Social secuirty, Payroll, State, Sales, even Property on my car. So, yes, I got back more than what I paid in Federal Income Tax . . . but not more than I had paid in tax, period.

Two, the EITC was not invented by Obama. It exists now, and it was created by CONSERVATIVES as an alternative to welfare for the working poor. Basically, reward people for working by giving back not only all their income tax, but a sum of money to compensate for the other taxes they have paid. Now, you can agree or disagree with this (I was stunned the first time I got it) but its not his idea, and its been in place for a while.

So, my understanding is that Obama wants to cut taxes for the middle class (who do pay them) and increase the EITC to help the working poor. Ok, you can quibble with both, but its hardly scandalous. Again, though I did vote for him (I voted early) I'm not his greatest fan . . . but there has been a lot of downright unfair accusations leveled at him. This is one of them.

I'll look into the empathy one, but I'll point out that its very unlikely that Obama can do much harm to the Court . . . for him to swing it much, we'd have to lose 5 Justices during his Presidency . . the liberal and moderate judges are old, but we're not likely to lose them all.

Also . . .if he runs wild with a Democratic Congress . . how long do you think he'll get to keep it?
 

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On the empathy thing:

This post, from a fairly conservative law professor, explains it pretty well:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/steven-calabresi-envisions-obamas.html and is a direct answer to the the WSJ editorial.

The truth is, there is no such thing, at least at the Supreme Court level, as black-and-white when it comes to the law. That's why we HAVE a Supreme Court. Obama is somewhat to the left of me on these issues, but again in the mainstream. The truth is, the Court often makes decisions based on opinions, political theories, etc. They are human. They have relatively little guidance. And although I think Obama would prefer more sweeping decisions than I would favor, and perhaps looser interpretive boundaries, he's right about the empathy, and, within limits, the little guy.

I'll give you an example of a really BAD decision recently . . . the equal pay one. The court's two central reasons for its ruling were that Congress said 18 months, but didn't say when those 18 months had to occur (the dispute was whether a woman could file a suit about unequal pay if she had recieved an unequal paycheck within 18 months, or whether she had to file within 18 months of the FIRST unequal paycheck). The law didn't say. The other reason was fear of lawsuits . . .that there would be a tide of them.

Well, I think Congress probably meant an unequal paycheck within 18 months, but leave that aside. And the law in most of the country had been that if you sued within 18 months of an unfair paycheck, you could sue . . . and there had been no tide of lawsuits. Despite the way the law had been applied for years, without disaster, the court decided to change it . . . to favor employers over women. Now, there should be a balance--giving female employees all the cards would be a problem--but I think the court went way to far, and i'll explain why.

The real problem here was a failure of empathy and understanding. Congress' intent, however poorly worded, was to have women paid equally for equal work. Considering that it is expressly against the rules in many jobs to ask how other people are paid, many women have no opportunity to find out that they are being treated unfairly within 18 months of the first paycheck. It may take YEARS to figure it out, as it did with the plaintiff. So, you've been cheated by your employer for years, and now you have no recourse, because you didn't sue way back when . . .way back when you had no way of knowing and could have been fired for asking . . . this is justice?

Moreover, it creates an incentive for employers to hide how much people are paid . . . indeed, to pay unfairly and hide it, because of after 18 months, they are home free.

A bad ruling. But the key failure was a worldview that prefered the possible problems of businesses to the exploitation of women, and a lack of empathy for women who are in no position to discover they are being treated unfairly. Indeed, I will even venture to say that it is a position that comes from a mostly male court (the only woman dissented) from largely wealthy and successful backgrounds (with the exception of Thomas) who have no idea what it is like to be in a job where that can happen, or to be that helpless. Literally, they fail to empathize because they can't imagine it . . . and their general philosophy favors businesses and opposes litigation.

Now, I'm sure I will disagree with some or all of Obama's court picks, and their rulings, and there is such a thing as an excess of empathy. But there is also such a thing as a court with no empathy, and contempt for the little guy. Because there is so much that can't be decided just from the law, these things matter.
 

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