Please help us pick a breed/mix! Need tips

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I am getting married next month and my fiance and I will be moving to a house downtown on a fenced 1/2 acre. We both love dogs and have had them as kids, but neither have one now. Robert wants to get a dog as soon as we are settled in for several reasons:

1. companionship. He likes affectionate nice animals.

2. protection. We are moving to a nice neighborhood, but it's in a big city. Unsavory types do drift through and his parents place on the next block has been broken into a couple of times. He feels very uneasy about leaving me home alone.

3. Jogging companion. We are both active and like to hike and go for long walks in town. We would like a dog that would enjoy hiking/walks, and also to serve as a mugger deterrent during walks.

Some other things that we are trying to take into consideration are:

1. We are planning on starting our family pretty soon. This means the dog would have to be very gentle with small children. We prefer one that would be protective of them if a stranger came into the yard.

2.Neighbors are close by, so a less vocal dog would be nice, although I feel fairly confident a lot of seemingly random barking could be taken care of through careful and consistent training.

3. Robert prefers a breed that isn't super sheddy.

4. We will be in a hot dry climate, so I assume something like a St. Bernard would not do well.

5. As cool as some of the more obscure/rare breeds are, as newlyweds spending $800-3000 on a fancy spancy dog with a name I can't pronounce or spell isn't a feasible option.

6. I have two banty hens that are going to be constantly penned up, hoping for a dog that can be trained to either leave them alone or view them as part of his job to protect.

7. We would like a dog about the size of a golden retriever, or GSD.

He grew up with a golden retriever, and a crazy boxer mix that tried to eat every strange man it encountered. I grew up with a german shepherd, a GSD/norwegian elkhound mix, a rhodesian ridgeback/dingo mix, a dobie/weimaraner mix, and a malamute/wolf (one parent was supposedly 75% wolf, whatever that means, he was also the biggest baby of them all).

They were all awesome dogs, most with the qualities we are looking for, but we don't know what exact kind of availability there will be of those breeds and mixes, and how to pick a puppy with that kind of temperment. We have also talked about getting some kind of awesome mutt from the pound, but again we aren't sure of the best way to tell what kind of personality a dog will have from its puppy behavior. Any tips and suggestions?

Also to be noted, a friend of mine has a smooth collie that I had to puppy-sit, and later as he got older, dog sit. No offense to collie lovers, but the collie bark just completely grates on my nerves, they (at least her dog) have way to much energy for me, and I can't stand the constant need to nip-herd everything around them. Neither of us wants a nipper, even if it is done in a friendly herding kind of way. Especially since we will have little ones crawling around in the next couple of years.

If anyone has any suggestions for a breed or mix that would fit our needs we would really appreaciate hearing them. Sorry to ramble, but wanted to get everything we could think of out on the first post. Thanks for your time! :)
 

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why don't you get one that is about 6 months to a year old? you will know how old they will be and you will be able to see their temperment pretty easily :D

*btw i am a pro mutt person :) *
 

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Pretty much all dogs nip as puppies. A German shepherd sounds perfect to me - aside from the shedding part.

Good with children, fairly high-energy, protective, and great companions.

They are herding dogs but they SHOULDN'T nip as adults. And if you're planning on starting your family sometime in the next few years, you don't really have to worry about it.
 
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First breeds that came to my mind was rottweiler and GSD, because they were both used for herding, but they do shed!

Other breeds that came to mind was the boxer, and doberman.

You are very limited to breeds if you hate shedding.

I would NEVER recomend a wolf hybrid!
 

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We don't plan on getting a wolf hybrid simply because they are too shy. Timber was an exceptional animal and extremely gentle, which was good because he weighed an athletic 127 lbs and his back stood higher than my dad's waist. He was way too friendly though, really when strangers came to our property he would bounce up to them and offer his belly to be scratched. The worst he would do to intruders was lean heavily while drooling and shedding a lot. He did dig a lot, and he would try to lean on us when we had ice cream to see if we would drop it. :D That was about the worst he ever did, but I know with wolf hybrids their behaviour and temperments can be pretty variable. In my experience they made good deterrents because they look intimidating, but all wolf dogs I have met were the biggest most timid chicken babies ever.

Robert doesn't hate shedding, he clarified this morning saying he doesn't like finding 6 inch long hairs on absolutely everything, but he was okay with the shedding level of their old goldie.

Puppy nipping is okay as they are teething and whatnot, and not really big enough to do any lasting damage. What I didn't like was the smooth collie, aka pirana, that would zoom around the house at top speed chomping anything and everything, inanimate or not. Those needley teeth hurt! Now he is the size of a barracuda, and still in constant chomp mode. Making holes in guests clothing and legs is not behavior I want in a dog. :)

Hmmm. Dobies are pretty awesome. I wish we could find another dobie/weimaraner. Best dog ever. Thanks for the recommends so far, still looking for more puppy selection advice though.
 

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No brainer !!! Golden . I love GS , but with planning a family down the road, I'd be careful.
 
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I don't know what your locale is, but in most places you can find the perfect dog in a shelter - especially if you look at the adult dogs. The best advice I can give you is to go visit the shelters near you with open eyes and hearts.
 
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Yep, goldens sound like a great match, except for the fact that the only thing they'd do to intruders is kiss them to death. :D I don't think they're looks will deter intruders, either :p

I say go for the GSD. Just make sure he is socialized EXTENSIVELY with young children, toddlers, and babies because he isn't going to be living with any for the crucial part of socialization...

Or get a bigger baby over a year old :D
 
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If you want a guard dog, I wouldnt get a golden, lol.

Doberman sounds good, because they dont shed too much, they are guard dogs, they are athletic, and they are good with kids.

If you are not too picky about shedding, I would highly recomend a german shepherd. Or even a rottie!

Australian cattle dog might be good, but I am not sure about how they are with kids.
 

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As I was pulling this up, my Golden was barking and guarding me as a stranger walked down my street ! I do love German Shepherds ... and I looked into them as my husband ,when were were first married , wanted something more macho than my first Golden, Point. I knew a good breeder and show person and had long talks with her. She had 4 GS .... had to separate them and could have 3 of them in the same room with her grandkids. We got the Golden.................that was 50 years ago,
 

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I am going to recommend a Rhodesian Ridge back they are a great dog they are a great jogging companion offer great protection they are the size of a Doberman or a GSD they are good with children they are quite and they can handle the hot dry heat you should check them out

I wouldn't suggest a Doberman or GSD or any guard dog type breed not for your first dog anyway they too intense for a first time owner and besides any dog can offer protection :)

Your local dog shelter would also be a great source for a great dog look what I got from a rescue :) (Rocky is a rescue dog)
 

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Yup - sounds like you'd be a good candidate for a sweet shelter dog. Maybe some sort of Lab/Shepherd mix, which always tend to mix well and I've never seen a Sheppy/Lab that wasn't affectionate and obedient yet still protective enough for the average person.

Honestly, I have never had a dog that didn't protect. My mother's Labrador who was always a huge wuss, even protected us. Border Collies aren't known for their abilities as guard dogs but my puppy watches out for me more and more as he gets older. Even my Papillon defends me! If you bond closely with a dog and give it your love, I think it'll protect you. Some may not protect to the same degree as others (a Golden will back down before a Fila will) but most dogs can be a deterrance - it just depends on the kind of protection you want! Some of the more protective breeds require a lot more work on things like socialization, and if you are expecting children you might not have the time for that. Again, a more mature (over 6 months, probably) shelter/rescue dog would be good for you.

All dogs will shed, unless you want a Poodle or a wire-haired dog. It's just a matter of whether you want long hairs on your clothes/furniture/floors that will be easy to spot and easy to pick up, or short hairs that might be less noticeable but are very difficult to get out of things. I have two coated dogs (one only has a single coat, but still does his fair share of shedding) and have found hair cleanup with them so much easier than it was with my short-haired dogs.
 
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Crotalus said:
We would like a dog that would enjoy hiking/walks, and also to serve as a mugger deterrent during walks.

1. We are planning on starting our family pretty soon. This means the dog would have to be very gentle with small children. We prefer one that would be protective of them if a stranger came into the yard.

2.Neighbors are close by, so a less vocal dog would be nice, although I feel fairly confident a lot of seemingly random barking could be taken care of through careful and consistent training.

3. Robert prefers a breed that isn't super sheddy.

4. We will be in a hot dry climate, so I assume something like a St. Bernard would not do well.

5. As cool as some of the more obscure/rare breeds are, as newlyweds spending $800-3000 on a fancy spancy dog with a name I can't pronounce or spell isn't a feasible option.

6. I have two banty hens that are going to be constantly penned up, hoping for a dog that can be trained to either leave them alone or view them as part of his job to protect.

7. We would like a dog about the size of a golden retriever, or GSD.
That narrows it down to - no herding breeds (because, come on, they DO nip; they are constant users-of-mouths-in-a-not-neccessarily-bad-way), no terriers (you want those hens alive, right?) and no hairy breeds or barky breeds. Generalizations, of course. I had a terrier mix who would not have hurt the bantams, but you know, in general...

I sort of think you want a Golden. You keep mentioning them, they more or less fit what you want (massive shedding aside, but who are we kidding? They all shed), and your bf had a mix of one. If you're planning to have kids soon, though, you should really make your first priority a dog who's very, very child-friendly. Everything else, especially the ability/inclination to guard you or the house or child from harm, should come a distant second. More kids are bitten by dogs than kidnapped by monsters.
 
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I think a Doberman would be great. They are athletic and very protective and shed very little (thats why I got one). They are not more or less difficult than any other breed and I think you could handle one. There are some breeds that are not made for first time owners and I personally feel Dobies and GSD's are not in that category. They aren't as "hard" and "dominant" as some people portray them to be, surely they aren't Goldens and do require firm handling, its not imposible to own one. Just do your homework and know what is required of you, the owner, to live in harmony with a dog.
 
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wildwings811 said:
I am going to recommend a Rhodesian Ridge back they are a great dog they are a great jogging companion offer great protection they are the size of a Doberman or a GSD they are good with children they are quite and they can handle the hot dry heat you should check them out

I wouldn't suggest a Doberman or GSD or any guard dog type breed not for your first dog anyway they too intense for a first time owner and besides any dog can offer protection :)

Your local dog shelter would also be a great source for a great dog look what I got from a rescue :) (Rocky is a rescue dog)

Ridegebacks aren't that easy either. They too require firm handling.
 

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I'd have to recomend going with a shelter dog too. The puppy I picked up is great. A larger dog that loves spending time with people is your best bet. A rottie/sheperd type mix would be great, but each dog requires individual assesment to see how s/he will fit into your home.
 

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Wow, thanks for all the input everybody! We've decided to have my aunt try to track down the lady that bred Boo (the dobie weimaraner mix) and see if she still works with them. My aunt is thinking maybe she does because she was in that neighborhood a couple of years ago and saw a house with several dogs in the yard that looked identical to him. Whenever I think of the kind of dog I want, Boo just keeps coming to mind because really he was the ideal dog, and fits all the characteristics that we are looking for. If she isn't working with them anymore then we will be heading to the shelter to find some kind of awesome mutt. :cool: Probably some kind of golden mix, but you never know who is going to be the perfect match. :)

I used to live with the friend that has the smooth collie. Before the collie was an extremely dominant button pushing greyhound/malamute/GSD mix. They do search and rescue, and Lazer was an attempt to turn a shelter dog into a S&R dog that ended up not working out because of random aggressive outbursts towards the elderly. She is now extremely happy on a family farm. They also got a purebred GSD puppy while I lived with them. She recently became a fully certified search dog. I cannot express how appreciative I am of the experience that gave me, and the lessons I learned about being an alpha pack member in the dog's eyes (especially Lazer's). Since I was in the house I had to learn about disciplining, being consistent, rewarding, dog psychology, etc, and also had the opportunity to help train a puppy from a drooling chewy yippy cute thing into a focused human tracking power-house. It was wonderful, and after dealing with Lazer for so long and living with and training the GSD (Willow) I know that I can handle GSDs, dobies, and other dogs with similiar needs. Thank you so much for all the heads up about the different breeds and all your input! :D
 

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