Please help!!!...to tie or not to tie?!?!

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  1. chigrl

    chigrl New Member

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    My chi, who i thought was outta heat, apparently wasnt...we took our pups to go visit my inlaws and their male chi was veryyy interested in her. He attempted to "hump" her several times, and she would allow it. We know he did ejaculate but there was no tie...My concern is that it has been now 3 weeks since and shes got some changes to her mammory glands...they are swollen , bout the size of a dime surrounding it. I was only one swollen but now they are all following suit...Shes begun eatting more, and peeing more...I guess my biggest question is Can a dog get pregnant without a tie?!!?!?! Ive been looking online for pregnancy answers but they are all pretty basic. If anyone can help me Id really appreciate it :confused:
     
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    I doubt that a pregnancy occured with them not tying. Maybe Grammy can chime in here...
     
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    I've never had that experience... at how many days did this happen ??? I know humans can become pregnant without penitration .... did the male penitrate ??? If not, I doubt if she got pregnant. With her accepting him , there could be a question !
     
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    ughhhh

    well after spending countless hours trying to find information on this online last nite i took my girl to the vet this morning. By what her teets are doing etc, he feels that shes likely pregnant. I explained that I never seen them tie, but he said a male dog rarely misses, and a tie just pretty much guarantees pregnancy in healthy dogs, both stud an the female. I guess time will only tell now..in about 3 more weeks we should see a big size difference. Shes already gained some weight, lazying around, and eatting constantly. but we'll see...thanks for the input tho, i was starting to stress...
     
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    I sure hope she isn't .
     
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    P.S. How old is she ?? I hope the male wasn't related to her.
     
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    She could very well be having a false pregnancy too. Their bodies go through all the changes but they are not actually pregnant. I would consider having a pregnancy ultrasound done immediatley. You need to know what you are dealing with for sure. Chis in general can have very complicated deliveries and may need some special assistance or a c-section. It's best to know if she is or isn't so you can prepare a whelping box, get her on the best quality food possible and read up on whelping a litter - they don't do it on their own!!! Keep us posted.
     
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    both our chis are and have been on great food, from our vet....No, the male was in no way related :) shes a year and a half, we originally wanted to wait till her next heat tho to even attempt to breed her however that may not be happening. Ive done so much reading on whelping etc, been talking to the breeder I purchased her from and feel very comfortable regardless of the outcome. I do still hope its a false preg. as i said before i really want to wait a bit longer. Ive hand raised orphaned puppies before , and aided in nursing sick ones etc, so that part doesnt scare me, im prepared to do anything nessesary to help my Chi and her lil ones, My biggest concern is that if she has a litter that its smooth for her sake, shes my baby first and her health is very important to me!! Thank all of you for your imput, and the links I always welcome more information :D
     
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    Sounds like you really love your dog and have looked into breeding prior to this, so it's good that you have some knowledge on the subject. Good luck with her. :)

    On a side note, what food do you get from your vet? The reason I ask is because the majority of vets push really crappy quality food like Science Diet. A lot of people believe that if a vet recommends it than it must be good right? - WRONG. Most vets have no nutritonal training at all and they just sell whatever food company gives them the best deal. Trust me, I worked for a vet for 5 years and was in charge of food inventory, sales and profit. It wasn't pretty.
     
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    Showpug beat me to it :D
     
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    Me, too. I also hope it is a false pregnancy and it is always good to have some experience in raising pups (orphans) ;)
     
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    Well, I know that my Girl Gypsy is have a fake one now AGAIN! She is carrying around her toy babies trying to nurse them and even has milk! Weird dog! Good luck with yours.
     
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    it was definatly confirmed, shes carrying 2 possibly 3 pups, we have an appt for a xray/ultrasound to confirm how many forsure, and to see if theres any problems to expect, from size of pups etc... they are both on Medical and have been doing great on it!! Ive done constant reading, and asking questions from the breeder I purchased them from, Ive probably drove them all nuts :D butttt i need to be sure Ive been given all correct info. Yes we love them very much, they are our first priority! But atleast I know that yes its definatly possible to become pregnant without a tie...I will keep everyone posted on her progress etc, and submit puppy pics :p
     
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    Oh, Ive hand raised pups, and this isnt the first time Ive been around a dog having puppies, so its definatly not new to me...just the Not tieing thing really baffled me, i had no idea it was possible...
     
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    Good luck !!! Nothing's harder than an unwelcomed pregnacy ...I know you'll do your best for Momma and the babies.
     
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    Do you have " THE" book ????
     
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    when does she go in for the x-ray, or ultrasound? Do they do an ultrasound on dogs like they do people?
     
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    You're right. My golden, Copper, while I was growing up had a false pregnancy. Would gather all the stuffed babies like they were her puppies. Poor girl was very confused...
     
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    Books, omg, i have about 4 different books... and i have taken many out of the library....She goes to the vet again this upcoming saturday for her ultra sound, the vet says after 28 days an ultra sound can be done, im interested to see how it is done on a pup myself. Id imagine its likely not too much different. Ive seen xrays done which was a huge pain, the dog just didnt want to cooperate..lol A lady i know decided to breed her chi, and then when she became closer to her whelping date she paniced...she refused to change her food, and take proper care of her, so i convinced her to let me look after her. Considering she spent most of her time at my house( the dog) anyways she was quite comfortable. She wasnt at all healthy as far as i was concerned, eatting garbage food, and skinny. we changed her food to Medical, got her out walking every nite, bathed her and spoiled her rotten. within 3 weeks she had a huge difference she actually seemed more content. I actually tried to convince her to give me the dog...lol I just dreaded to return her again knowing she isnt treated the way she should be treated. We took her to our own vet had her examined to ensure she was ok. Whelping time came and thankfully she did her role but that soon changed. "mom" didnt want anything to do with her baby at all, i had to force her to feed him within the first 24 hours to ensure he recieved the important stuff. At times she tried to hurt him so we took over indefinatly. We returned her to her owner, unfourtunatly, and bottle fed him, He did remarkable, and we ended up giving him to my mother in law who is in a wheel chair for companionship. He has turned out to be her godsent, he never leaves her side, and she adores him. The best thing in the world for each other:) Ive actually hand raised 11 puppies before , for someone else so im ready for anything :) Ill let everyone know what happens at the vet this weekend.
     

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