Owner shot his dogs and will not be prosecuted!

[lakotasong]

Also, another note: I've assisted with many euthanizations during my tenure at SPCAs. I've seen more than one go bad - dogs had a bad reaction to the drugs and it was not a peaceful death. Had to do heart stick on a couple because they would not stop seizing and we couldn't get the vein back. There's other stories but they're not pleasant and I'm sure no one wants to hear them.

I'm just saying, humane euthanization by injection isn't 100% golden. Things can and do go wrong.

 

[RetrieverLove]

I guess there really is a different side. I'm still not sure I agree, but there definitely is a different perspective to look at. I hope I didn't offend anyone, I'm a city girl so I didn't really even think about those that have no access to a Vet.

 

[Squidbert]

I guess there really is a different side. I'm still not sure I agree, but there definitely is a different perspective to look at. I hope I didn't offend anyone, I'm a city girl so I didn't really even think about those that have no access to a Vet.

I've struggled with how I feel about the whole issue for a while.. I totally understand someone feeling disgust at the whole idea.. it's not pretty.
I think that's one of the things people get caught up in when they decide whether or not something is humane. Many people say a clean shot in the head is inhumane.. but it really isn't. The dog doesn't suffer in any way. It just isn't pretty to look and I'm sure is awful to do.
I've also struggled with the idea of people even having pets if they don't have access to a vet incase of emergencies.. this one I'm still a little torn on.. however if someone does as much as they possibly can for their pets in that situation I lean towards agreeing that they should be entitled to having a sweet loving pet.. this is all just my opinion of course..

I'm certainly not offended.. so never worry about that RetrieverLove.. or anyone for that matter.. I don't get offended very easily!

 

[Herschel]

I think that a society's development can be judged by how they treat/protect their pets. And yes I do believe that some cultures are better than others.

This sounds a mighty lot like this MK Ghandi statement:

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” — Mahatma Gandhi

He was referring to all animals, not just pets.

I've asked before and I'll ask again, why are people on this forum so outspoken against killing dogs while you find it OK to bludgeon a baby cow to death for the sake of veal?

 

[Amstaffer]

while you find it OK to bludgeon a baby cow to death for the sake of veal?

ah....I don't condone that either Or the killing of any animal with a brain capable of emotion, besides in self defense.

However, I do think we have a special bond with the dog that is more special than that of ANY other animal.

Gandhi is one of my favorite people in history.

 

[Buckshot]

I've asked before and I'll ask again, why are people on this forum so outspoken against killing dogs while you find it OK to bludgeon a baby cow to death for the sake of veal?

Who uses that method to dispatch beef? I have a tighter relationship with my dog than animals I kill to eat. So tight that I would be happy to share the veal with my dog.

So you guys dont kill mosqitos and other annoying insects either? How about habitat? Do you displace animals by your existence?

I see myself as part of the food chain. When I die I would rather not be sealed, but provide nourishment to the flora and fauna. I prefer to have the hands on part of butchering my own food. I think we are way to seperated from the reallity of where our food comes from. Too many people who claim to be animal lovers and judge me, pay to have other people do the dirty work for them.

 

[Squidbert]

I see myself as part of the food chain. When I die I would rather not be sealed, but provide nourishment to the flora and fauna. I prefer to have the hands on part of butchering my own food. I think we are way to seperated from the reallity of where our food comes from. Too many people who claim to be animal lovers and judge me, pay to have other people do the dirty work for them.

UGH!! THATS AWFUL!!!

Just kidding.. I couldn't agree more!

 

[JennSLK]

I see myself as part of the food chain. When I die I would rather not be sealed, but provide nourishment to the flora and fauna. I prefer to have the hands on part of butchering my own food. I think we are way to seperated from the reallity of where our food comes from. Too many people who claim to be animal lovers and judge me, pay to have other people do the dirty work for them.

We kill our own beef and butcher it ourselves. We just shoot them.

 

[Amstaffer]

You can live just fine without eating meat

 

[Buckshot]

You can live just fine without eating meat

You can, I choose to eat herbavores. I pay attention to natures warnings. If I see very ornate fish, I avoid them. If I see very brightly colored insects, amphibians and reptiles I keep a respectful distance. The foul taste of vegetation is a clear warning for me not to put it in my mouth.

I know I have gotten off topic, sorry OP.

 

[DanL]

No one will ever know the guy's motives for doing it. Maybe it was spite, maybe he would have rather put them down himself than have them taken away to be put down. (because you know that is what would happen- he was in the Yukon Territory- what is the demand for 50 dogs in poor condition up there?)

When I was a kid I used to help out this old farmer. He had a mini bull terrier "Happy" who was his companion for years. The farmer did about everything wrong as far as care for the dog. He was tied out all day. He ate scrapple, cooked bones and dry dog food. He wasn't trained. But he was a nice dog, and the farmer loved him. My brother and I loved him too, but we were kids and didn't know any better. The dog was getting old and started to do poorly, so the farmer shot him and buried him. It was no less humane than taking it to the vet. So if someone says what kind of "sicko" can do that, well, there an example for you. He didn't enjoy doing it at all, but it was something that had to be done.

As far as the animals for consumption thing, I'm right w/ Buckshot on that. We are part of the food chain, that is how we've evolved for a hundred thousand years, and our culture has developed to the point that we no longer have to go hungry waiting to hunt an animal. I'm not a hunter but I have friends and a brother who are avid hunters. My brother eats everything he kills and what he can't eat he shares with me and his friends. I completely agree with the point about taking away habitat from animals. If people have such bleeding heart don't eat anything with eyes attitudes, yet they have no problem moving into a new house that was made by cutting down an acre of forest, they are no better than those they condemn.

 

[Herschel]

If people have such bleeding heart don't eat anything with eyes attitudes, yet they have no problem moving into a new house that was made by cutting down an acre of forest, they are no better than those they condemn.

That's not true.

Displacing animals from their natural habitat seems like less of an evil than purposefully bringing animals into the world so they can be murdered.

Although the displacement may be a lesser evil, it is still an evil. Thus, indulging in both killing animals to eat flesh and displacing them through development is the worst of all.

 

[Herschel]

Who uses that method to dispatch beef? I have a tighter relationship with my dog than animals I kill to eat. So tight that I would be happy to share the veal with my dog.

The veal industry.

So you guys dont kill mosqitos and other annoying insects either? How about habitat? Do you displace animals by your existence?

I try not to do either intentionally. Enjoying a slab of beef on your plate involves some sort of intentional murder.

I think we are way to seperated from the reallity of where our food comes from. Too many people who claim to be animal lovers and judge me, pay to have other people do the dirty work for them.

Exactly. I definitely have a lot of respect for people that can raise and kill animals themselves. However, we've created a culture where "chicken" is no longer an animal--it is food. People have created a comfortable distance from the reality of slaughter, then they turn around and act horrified by the euthanizing of a few dogs.

 

[Buckshot]

The veal industry.

I meant a company name. I would like to check up on that. I can see no purpose in dispatching with that method.

As far as being a murderer in your loose definition of the word, I guess I am in the company of spiders, wolves, lions etc etc which beats the hell out of being in the company of the greenpeace/sierra club people I have met.

 

[lakotasong]

I've asked before and I'll ask again, why are people on this forum so outspoken against killing dogs while you find it OK to bludgeon a baby cow to death for the sake of veal?

Oooooooh, animal rights terrorism propaganda!

 

[lakotasong]

then they turn around and act horrified by the euthanizing of a few dogs.

You mean a few thousand.

 

[DanL]

That's not true.

Displacing animals from their natural habitat seems like less of an evil than purposefully bringing animals into the world so they can be murdered.

Although the displacement may be a lesser evil, it is still an evil. Thus, indulging in both killing animals to eat flesh and displacing them through development is the worst of all.

I'll live with being the worst of all then.

Oops, I better go check that steak!

 

[Crotalus]

I spent two years as a vegetarian and it nearly ruined my health, despite taking all the vitamins and buying all the special food etc that my body was supposed to need. Some people just need a certain amount of animal protien to thrive. Human beings are omnivores, and we are part of the food chain. You can't remove yourself from impacting other organisms in the world no matter how hard you try. Your clothes? Cotton requires the use of more pesticides than any other crop in the world. Billions of bugs, birds, and other animals up the food chain die and have all kinds of problems just from the clothes you wear. We are part of the world and the food chain just as much as our pets, the animals that go into our dog's food, and the bugs that die in the cotton fields.

IMO it isn't "evil" to displace other creatures by building your home. You are a living organism too and need a place to be. Is it "evil" when a beaver builds his dam and floods out a meadow, making it unsuitable for songbirds? When people build homes, they also create habitat for other creatures, like sparrows, rats, etc. Things that most people call vermin. Please note that I also believe it is important to be aware of the status of species, so they don't get lost and also to conserve their habitat. I just don't think it's evil for people to build homes. Ideally, a person would make their yard so that it could stay as habitat for a lot of the previous residents of the area.

The best we can do is to try and see that the least suffering possible is inflicted on others through our actions. If we choose to eat meat then make sure it is produced in a humane manner. I raise most of my meat now, rabbits and chickens are mighty tasty.

 

[LabBreeder]

Well, the Bible is filled with numerous specific examples of faithful servants of God eating meat with no implication that they did wrong.

Genesis 25:27,28; 27:1-4 - Esau was a skillful hunter. His father Isaac loved Esau because he ate what Esau killed.

Genesis 43:16 - Joseph had an animal slaughtered for his brothers to eat with him.

1 Samuel 25:18 - Abigail brought sheep dressed to eat as a gift to David and his men.

1 Kings 4:22,23 - Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived, ate oxen, sheep, deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fowl.

1 Kings 19:21 - Elisha slaughtered oxen to feed people.

1 Chronicles 12:39,40 - David and the people ate oxen and sheep when he was named king.

Nehemiah 5:17,18 - Nehemiah provided for those who ate with him oxen, sheep, and fowl.

Matthew 3:4 - John the Baptist ate locusts and wild honey.

Note that many of the people ate, not just fish or birds, but "red meat": cattle, sheep, oxen, etc.

If eating meat is immoral, then all these people were immoral and sinned in eating meat. Yet the Bible presents them as good people and never once implies they did anything wrong in these cases.

I'm not trying to make this a religious discussion, but if you are going to talk about evil and immoral behavior, I guess that would mean many Biblical figureheads were bad in your eyes.
It's not one of the 7 deadly sins and it's not one of the 10 commandments. I don't see a "thou shalt not eat meat". So, I'll continue to do so. And, yes, I do know how cows are slaughtered. It's not nice, but it's better than how it used to be.

 

[Squidbert]

It's not nice, but it's better than how it used to be.

I don't really understand what is meant by this? What's bad about how it used to be? Cows were raised on a farm.. lived in decent circumstances and were then slaughtered.. not kept living in its own filth standing butt to butt and head to head with other cows.. And chickens could walk about, lay eggs and interact with other chickens.. now they're cooped up in tiny boxes till they're able to be eaten.. it's disgusting.. I really don't get how you feel it used to be worse than it is now..
Maybe I'm just taking what you said the wrong way or something..?