Is there some list somewhere of people that have accomplished this high training title and with what dogs? I would be interested to see what breeds are most commonly trained to that level and which ones make that level less often or never. I am always impressed with people who title dogs that are LESS likely to be an obedience dog. I love the commitment people have made to training to achieve this. I don't know that I will ever reach this level, but I love training my dogs. I love the time spent with them and it is just so much more fun to have a well trained dog then an ill mannered one.
R
I like for my dog's rear to be on he ground before my right foot stops during a halt.
So some people might call that fast, and some might not. IMO, I don't want more than one count after the halt before the dog's rear is on the ground. (so you would count 1 when the left foot stops, 2 when the right foot stops, and then 3 I want the dog's butt on the ground.
So some people might call that fast, and some might not. IMO, I don't want more than one count after the halt before the dog's rear is on the ground. (so you would count 1 when the left foot stops, 2 when the right foot stops, and then 3 I want the dog's butt on the ground.
Mine sit fast, but JRTs tend to do everything fast.
The dogs I am thinking about are goldens. They start to sit right away but their sit itself isn't fast (if that makes any sense)
Its like the recall. As long as the dog moves with purpose to the handler I see full marks being awarded. So a brisk trot is worth full marks (assuming the front and finish are good too) but that full out dash back to the handler looks better.
The dogs I am thinking about are goldens. They start to sit right away but their sit itself isn't fast (if that makes any sense)
Its like the recall. As long as the dog moves with purpose to the handler I see full marks being awarded. So a brisk trot is worth full marks (assuming the front and finish are good too) but that full out dash back to the handler looks better.
once you get to utility, etc - its less so about snappy heeling (that's all novice is, really), and you've really got to have a front and finish sort of dog - if your dog cant do straight f/f's repeatedly, you're going to be hit with those points on your ROF, ROH, BJ and DOR in open (thats 4 f/f's), and in utility you're looking at 2 in the directed jumping, 1 in directed retrieve, 2 for scent articles, youve got 1 in signals, you've got a direct return to heel (still a modified finish) in the moving stand (not including you also have three pivots in utility if you don't directly send your dog, so your dog needs to maintain a heel position on a turn!)... that's 7... forget how fast. you have to have a STRAIGHT dog that needs to be able to control its back end and come in straight all the time, every time. that's where, IMO, OTCH dogs are made.
R
I would have to agree, after reading your post Kim.
My instructor over the years has made several OTCHs. One in 12 shows, with MANY HITs and at least one 200 from Open.
She has ALWAYS stressed fronts and finishes, and my puppies learn this from the word go. We play so much find front and find heel my dogs are really buff on this.
Maybe one day I will earn ONE OTCH point, and probably fall over in shock. LOL
My instructor over the years has made several OTCHs. One in 12 shows, with MANY HITs and at least one 200 from Open.
She has ALWAYS stressed fronts and finishes, and my puppies learn this from the word go. We play so much find front and find heel my dogs are really buff on this.
Maybe one day I will earn ONE OTCH point, and probably fall over in shock. LOL
Laurelin, there was an OTCH papillon set to go in the ring when I was stewarding once but the dog was scratched before the match. I was mad, lol, it was the only small dog going that day. But a corgi took 3rd place so it was all good
Question, why would someone continue to show a dog that already has an OTCH? Can you get an OTCH2 like you can a MACH2?
Question, why would someone continue to show a dog that already has an OTCH? Can you get an OTCH2 like you can a MACH2?
R
For rankings, Dub. They keep a running list of the top 25 Lifetime OTCH points winning dogs, and also the top 25 by year.
So that is what people are gunning for when they keep showing an OTCH. Could be they are competing to be at a certain level in their breed as far as OTCH points, things like that.
So that is what people are gunning for when they keep showing an OTCH. Could be they are competing to be at a certain level in their breed as far as OTCH points, things like that.
Laurelin, there was an OTCH papillon set to go in the ring when I was stewarding once but the dog was scratched before the match. I was mad, lol, it was the only small dog going that day. But a corgi took 3rd place so it was all good
I was thinking about top OTCH people I know of and I know Denzel papillons has bred 6 OTCHs. However, I think they were all trained/handled by different people. Still impressive, though.
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I admire those who earn OTCHs, but for myself it's just never been a big goal. Part of that is because OTCH points are really low in Alaska (since the OB and UB classes are so small) and partly because I get tired of doing the same old thing over and over and over. I was really disappointed when they came out with the UDX and it was based on double Q's in open and utility. I thought they were going to have a whole new set of exercises (challenging ones) and they wimped out.
I have enough to do with my dogs to not feel the need to go for UDX's, OTCH points, RAE's, etc. I'd rather put a VCD title on my chows than to get a single leg toward a UDX.
And you've got to be relatively well-off to afford this sport, especially now that the entry fees are bumping up over $30 per class (at least up here). I'd hate to go back and see what I've paid just in entry fees to earn the 30+ titles I have on my dogs now .. *L* .. and then there's gas and training classes and motel rooms, etc.
Oh well. I'm happy with my two UD's and will be thrilled if Khana earns a CDX, a TD and her novice agility titles (I don't believe there's been a chow with a VCD yet).
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
I have enough to do with my dogs to not feel the need to go for UDX's, OTCH points, RAE's, etc. I'd rather put a VCD title on my chows than to get a single leg toward a UDX.
And you've got to be relatively well-off to afford this sport, especially now that the entry fees are bumping up over $30 per class (at least up here). I'd hate to go back and see what I've paid just in entry fees to earn the 30+ titles I have on my dogs now .. *L* .. and then there's gas and training classes and motel rooms, etc.
Oh well. I'm happy with my two UD's and will be thrilled if Khana earns a CDX, a TD and her novice agility titles (I don't believe there's been a chow with a VCD yet).
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
Everyone has their own goals, and not attaining an OTCH doesn't make a dog a bad dog, or a handler a bad handler -
furthermore, some dogs simply cannot cut it to get a UDX, doing two classes in a day and consisently qualifying is HARD - I know some dogs that had to show 55-60 times to get their UDX. For some dogs, this comes easy.
For Rah, we have high goals -he's a dog capable of extreme precision (if I could only give him the same in the handling aspect! - I think we spent half my private today working footwork and control on MY aspect) and I'd love to put an OTCH on him. who knows - we have a tentative timeline, and ill finish his CD next month and then show the heck out of him in novice purely for scores (and me learning to perfect handling while in the ring - we're getting nice scores but my handling is NIL in the ring, BAD ME - i blogged all about it in my training blog...)...
now im just wandering. *sigh*
furthermore, some dogs simply cannot cut it to get a UDX, doing two classes in a day and consisently qualifying is HARD - I know some dogs that had to show 55-60 times to get their UDX. For some dogs, this comes easy.
For Rah, we have high goals -he's a dog capable of extreme precision (if I could only give him the same in the handling aspect! - I think we spent half my private today working footwork and control on MY aspect) and I'd love to put an OTCH on him. who knows - we have a tentative timeline, and ill finish his CD next month and then show the heck out of him in novice purely for scores (and me learning to perfect handling while in the ring - we're getting nice scores but my handling is NIL in the ring, BAD ME - i blogged all about it in my training blog...)...
now im just wandering. *sigh*
You can continue to show in Novice B until your dog earns a qualifying score in Open and/or 90 days after a high in trial I do believe.
I hope to earn a UDX on Bailey... or at least get to that level! One CDX Q down, two to go until Utility and we'll see how that goes... hah. Seriously though, we are out there to have a blast. We both make silly mistakes in the ring but as long as we come out as a team... it's all good!
I hope to earn a UDX on Bailey... or at least get to that level! One CDX Q down, two to go until Utility and we'll see how that goes... hah. Seriously though, we are out there to have a blast. We both make silly mistakes in the ring but as long as we come out as a team... it's all good!
No, in AKC as long as you do not have a leg in open yet, you can continue to show in novice as long as you want. You do have to move out of Novice A, but I think they give you 30 days (it may be 60?). This is just incase you have entered a couple of other shows in novice A already. You cannot show in open and novice at the same show, but if you enter open and blow it and want to move back down to novice while you work on your skills, thats fine.
In Novice A, you have 60 days after obtaining your CD to continue to show in Novice A, during which time you can show as many times as you would like in A, obtain as many HIT's as you can possibly obtain. After those 60 days, however, you MUST either 1) move up to the B class, or 2) move up to Open.
If you show in the B class, after obtaining your CD, you can continue to show in B UNTIL you get your first HIT that occurs OUTSIDE of the 60 days after obtaining your title ( again - a 60 day grace period to obtain as many HITs as you can without being forced to move up) - after that, you HAVE to move up to Open once you obtain a HIT. The only caveat being I believe the AKC will allow you to continue to show in ANY class that you have already entered PRIOR to obtaining that HIT (ie if you entered 4 shows, but obtain a HIT in the second, you can finish out the other 2 shows in that class if they all occur in a row, I believe). An A class competitor moving up to the B classes is under these same rules.
Of course, the minute you obtain your first open leg, you can never show that dog in Novice again. In addition, even if you are within your 60 days that you can still show in Novice A, if you trial your dog in open (even if you do not qualify), I do not believe you can go back into A, you have to the NovB class.
If you show in the B class, after obtaining your CD, you can continue to show in B UNTIL you get your first HIT that occurs OUTSIDE of the 60 days after obtaining your title ( again - a 60 day grace period to obtain as many HITs as you can without being forced to move up) - after that, you HAVE to move up to Open once you obtain a HIT. The only caveat being I believe the AKC will allow you to continue to show in ANY class that you have already entered PRIOR to obtaining that HIT (ie if you entered 4 shows, but obtain a HIT in the second, you can finish out the other 2 shows in that class if they all occur in a row, I believe). An A class competitor moving up to the B classes is under these same rules.
Of course, the minute you obtain your first open leg, you can never show that dog in Novice again. In addition, even if you are within your 60 days that you can still show in Novice A, if you trial your dog in open (even if you do not qualify), I do not believe you can go back into A, you have to the NovB class.
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RO2999.pdf
the rules - section 16, page 7
the rules - section 16, page 7