Off leash park ... are they a bad idea ?

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I came across this article [ link below ] about dog parks on the Leeburg website. He thinks that it's not a good idea. What do you guys think ?
Personally, I like them. It's a chance for my dog to socialize with dogs and people. And 2 b honest, I myself enjoy being there :)


http://www.leerburg.com/dogparks.htm
 

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I think it depends on the dog. I used to take my last dog to the dog park all the time, and he absolutely loved it. I never had a problem. The downside is that you do have to keep an eye out, because sometimes other dogs can cause problems.

I would not take Zeus to a dog park. He has a bit of alpha in him, and he does not like other male dogs with the same alpha attitude. He dislikes probably about 2 out of every 10 male dogs. Not a very high percentage, but enough to make me avoid dog parks.

If your dog has any sort of aggressive tendencies whatsoever, I wouldn't take him.
 

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Dog parks can be trouble and they can be a ton of fun. Sawyer and Aubrey adore going and I've yet to have a problem. However, I also know how my dogs are likely to react and I know how to watch the other dogs for signs of impending trouble. Most problems react when the owners aren't paying attention or they bring a dog in that has no business being there in the first place.

I don't want to totally denigrate Leerburg, because they're good at what they do, but they are also in the professional line of GSD's and most of their advice is not meant for the average dog. It's my opinion that the guys at Leerburg have been around Schutzhund dogs and their own kennel of very agressive dogs for so long that they've sort of forgotten how 'normal' dogs act.
 

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I'd be interested to know that too. Schutzhund trained doesn't = an aggressive dog. If anything it means a more stable dog because it takes a good dog to pass any part of Sch. Aggression happens with weak nerved dogs or dogs that are not trained properly, not with high quality German Shepherds bred for their working ability.
 

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No, but if you go and read their website they do say that they have to carry around a billy club if they are going to be going into the dog's kennel and that they have all been bit so many times when a dog turned and ran up the leash at the person. My boss was head of the Lakeland Airforce kennel, the largest kennel in the world, and it's a military one, which means mostly GSD's, with a few Labs and Goldens tossed in for bomb sniffing. She said they had a lot of dogs with similar attitudes and it required that all dogs be locked in the dog house before anyone was to set foot inside the run.

So whether it be aggression, over-the-top alpha or what have you, they still work with dogs that would eat a civilian alive.
 

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I like our local off-leash dog parks. Murphie has a wonderful time at them and they were especially valuable for her socialization in her young puppyhood. That said however, there have been unpleasant and some downright nasty incidents at the park we frequent. Both between the dogs AND the humans.
 

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I don't especially like dog parks. There always seems to be a dog or two there that wants to tear a new hole in my dog, I don't know if it's just because he is so intense and intimidating to other dogs (Which is one reason sometimes Border Collies stick with one another.) or because he's young and the other dogs just want to pick on him... It's usually not a very fun experience for him, I'm going to be avoiding them until he gets older and will "bite back" if he's being harrassed.

I prefer arranging play-dates and just letting him run on the soccer field at the local human park. (No rules against dogs, and he's less likely to be mauled.)
 

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I tend to go at the same time and so there is a group of people that I know and walk with and I know that our dogs all get along together. Although it Sawyer doesn't learn to shut up soon he may get himself in trouble. :rolleyes:

When you think about it though, dog parks and doggie daycare are remarkably similar, probably even more so because most daycares are in a smaller area.
 

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Not after discussions I've had with some people. Some one argued with me the other day that it was wrong for the big dog owners to want her pom out of the big dog side so they could play. I don;t want to share a dog park with a bunch of idiots,but I guess that why my back yard is its own dog park:)
 

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id never take roxy to one.. a bit on her part shes very very over energetic (thats a boxer for ya) and she tends to tick off other dogs sometimes just in wanting to play tag. so I take her with me when I go out on four wheeler and she gets to run around as much as she wants. some people dont watch there dogs they take them there to get there energy out and sometimes the dogs havent been well socialized...then theres always the thought of what if a female is in heat and two males get into a fight over smelling her near? unleashed dogs can cause trouble for themselves even if they are 'perfectly' trained.
 
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Dog parks are great, my dogs love them! The only problem with them is that people bring dog aggressive dogs there, so sometimes you have to watch out. At my local dog park I usually stay for 5 hours, and I see atleast one fight while I am there. None of my dogs have been in a fight, thank god! When I had my rottie mix a lady who owned a boxer yelled at me and said that my dog was aggressive, when in fact she just liked playing rough. Peoples attitudes can also be a problem, atleast at my park.
 
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id never take roxy to one.. a bit on her part shes very very over energetic (thats a boxer for ya) and she tends to tick off other dogs sometimes just in wanting to play tag. so I take her with me when I go out on four wheeler and she gets to run around as much as she wants. some people dont watch there dogs they take them there to get there energy out and sometimes the dogs havent been well socialized...then theres always the thought of what if a female is in heat and two males get into a fight over smelling her near? unleashed dogs can cause trouble for themselves even if they are 'perfectly' trained.
Yeah, my rottie was very hyper, but I still took her anyway. I hated it when people would take their dogs to the park when they havent been socialized at all. She loved playing with other dogs more than anything else, even if that meant trampling over them or being trampled over.
 

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rottiegirl said:
Dog parks are great, my dogs love them! The only problem with them is that people bring dog aggressive dogs there, so sometimes you have to watch out. At my local dog park I usually stay for 5 hours, and I see atleast one fight while I am there. None of my dogs have been in a fight, thank god! When I had my rottie mix a lady who owned a boxer yelled at me and said that my dog was aggressive, when in fact she just liked playing rough. Peoples attitudes can also be a problem, atleast at my park.

5 hours !!!!!! That's a lot .. enough to witness a war not just a dog fight :)
I stay max. 1 hour by which Roy is all spent and needs a drink and sleep.
I guess because Rotties look aggressive, people tend to be defensive around them ...
 

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I came across this article [ link below ] about dog parks on the Leeburg website. He thinks that it's not a good idea. What do you guys think ?
Personally, I like them. It's a chance for my dog to socialize with dogs and people. And 2 b honest, I myself enjoy being there :)


http://www.leerburg.com/dogparks.htm

From my experiences, I 100% agree with him on dog parks.
 

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maybe it is just like everything else in life..if you look only for bad..that is what you will find..if you look for good..you might find that as well..Neither of my dogs are aggressive..shoot Victor is everybody's best friend and approaches all dogs with that kind of attitude..if i was a half hour closer i'd take him each and every day..the only bad day we had was when two large dogs thought Victor was prey and were trying to hunt him as a pair..funny tho that they would never be able to catch him for he runs like the wind..If i had a dog with an attitude or was aggressive it would be wrong for me to take it to the off leash park.,.that being my responsibility to use good judgement.
 

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I think the answer to whether they are good or not depends on the circumstances. On whole, though, I think that they are truly wonderful, subject to a few caveats. It is true that many dog owners have no clue what they are doing, and are not responsible. Often that leads to ill behaved and uncontrolled dogs running around off leash at the park. There is no doubt that when you go to the park, you and your dog are taking a risk that someone else's dog (or someone else, for that matter) won't attack. But, life is full of risk-- when you take a walk with your dog, you take the risk someone won't hit you with their car, or try to mug you. You can't simply hide inside all of your life, so you must simply accept some level of risk. The question is whether the benefits outweigh the risk. I agree that all of the problems that Leeburg warns of are real concerns. But in my case, for my dog at my park, with the people that generally go there, the rewards greatly outweigh the risks.

My local dog park is a city park with, as far as I have noticed, no official oversight. There is also no separate area for big and small dogs, adult dogs and puppies, or any other separation. There supposedly is a minimum age requirement for puppies and people, and a requirement that dogs be vaccinated, though other people often let people in without the requisite pass. So, sometimes young puppies (and people), and dogs with no proof of vaccination get in. For the last two plus years, I have taken my fixed male Berner to the park quite often-- usually multiple times a week, and some weeks, every single day. He loves it, and just absolutely gets excited with anticipation when I come home in hopes we are going. In my experience, most of the people there generally have a pretty good idea of what is acceptable behavior, and what is not, and generally they make a least a passing effort to monitor their dogs. Those people who don't are generally chastised by the others. So, there is some peer pressure to help police the park, even though there is no official oversight. Thus, at least at my park, the people are pretty good, and the dogs, with a few exception, are fairly well behaved.

You have to know your dog, and understand dog behavior and interaction. Many dogs simply do not like being at the park. If that is the case, then don't force your dog to go. Also, I am amazed at my park how many people bring small dogs or puppies in. There is no way I would bring a toy dog or a puppy to a non-segregated park, but I see it all the time. There is just too much chance for injury, even from just over exuberant play. In addition, puppies have a period of development when they are very impressionable to experiences of fear. You do NOT want to take your puppy to the park during this period of development or you can scar them for life. If your puppy gets scared, it might let out a yelp. That yelp can be like blood in the water, and suddenly that puppy is surrounded by a pack of big barky unfamiliar dogs acting frenetically. That’s bad. Then, when you go to pick that puppy up to protect him, you are reinforcing that dog’s fear reaction. That’s also bad.

Assuming your dog is big enough to take care of himself, then you absolutely must closely monitor your dog, both to make sure your dog behaves, and to protect him if necessary, as well as pick up the poop. (I can’t tell you how many times I have stepped in poop.) If you spend some time at the park, and you pay attention, you notice patterns, and you can distinguish between harmless play, and inappropriate behavior. Often other people disagree with what you think is appropriate. Some are afraid of the least bit of play growling, wrestling and chasing (this is okay, as long as they both are giving off happy body language, and taking turns chasing and being chased) others think mounting and aggressive nipping and lunging is just play (its not, and should be stopped). Often people don't recognize behavior that leads to spats between dogs. For example, one dog trying to mount another dog can lead to a fight between two alpha dogs. Two dogs trying to get the same ball can lead to fights. Usually, these spats are nothing more serious than that-- spats. There will be growling, barking, lunging, nipping, and even a bite without serious injury. Usually, these are broken up with nothing more than a few hurt feelings. Of course, on rare occasions, there will be a more serious fight. People really should step in before things escalate. Often people do, but sometimes they don't. My dog is very good natured. He does not dominate other dogs, and is not really afraid of other dogs, and does not overreact to aggressive behavior. Generally, I try to let him handle most situations, and only step in when it is apparent intervention is necessary. On the three or four times I have seen him try to mount another dog, I immediately stop him. Primarily, I do this because I don't want him to engage in alpha behavior because I don’t want to live with an alpha male. But also, if he were to do that to the wrong dog, he could cause another dog to become aggressive. If another dog tries to mount him, I generally let him deal with it, unless the other dog is extremely persistent.

People do bring un-spayed and un-neutered animals. Obviously, do NOT bring an intact female to the park when she is in heat. Unfortunately, the intact males can sometimes tell if she is in heat before you can.

If you pay attention to all of the above, if you make sure you are in a good park environment, and you pay attention, the experience can be wonderful. It is really a great way for your dog to meet people and other dogs. That generally is very beneficial to your dog’s personality. Your dog will get much more exercise running around off leash than just walking a few blocks on leash. But, if you have an aggressive dog, or an overly fearful dog, if your dog is too small, or too young or too old, its probably not a good idea for your situation.
 

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it very much depends on the individual dog. like with so many other topics, there isn't really a strictly "yes" or "no" answer.

if you happen to own one who hasn't been socialized properly, has temperament issues, or belongs to a breed that tends to be dog aggressive, it's not a good idea to take them to a dog park. out of courtesy to other dog owners, people who own such dogs shouldn't bring them to such parks, but unfortunately not all dog owners have particularly good judgement.

sadly, for people living in big cities, a dog park is often the only place where they can let their dog run off leash, other than a back yard, which of course people living in an apartment don't have.

personally i don't have the time to drive out to the mountains here in L.A. every day to walk my dog on trails where he's permitted off-leash, so stopping by the dog park to play fetch is the alternative to on-leash walks/bike rides for exercise, since my back yard is very small.

my dog doesn't have issues with other dogs tho, in fact he ignores most of them. maybe one in 20 or 30 is "special" enough to get engaged in play, otherwise he's more interested in his tennis ball.
 

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