Odd Behavior and Dead Stuff...

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This happened this past summer, but i thought i get peoples takes on it.....

Sally likes to chase and kill critters. Last summer she had about a month stretch where she killed 4 birds, a raccoon and a possum--Jack was outside with her for all of these incidents, but DH actually saw her get one of the birds and she was always the one carrying the dead stuff, so we are assuming it was her that did the deed.

When she killed the raccoon it was dark, and I was on out upper deck when she brought it too me. I had her drop it on the stairs and put her in the house to check her over for injuries. Jack was at the bottom of the stairs, but refused to come up the stairs with the raccoon body sitting there. He didn't want anything to do with it--he didn't even want to sniff it--he seemed freaked out.

We would call him and encourage him and he would wag at us but refuse to come. I felt that moving the raccoon for him might be babying him too much, so we continued to call and encourage and after a few minutes he darted by the raccoon and came to us (and got TONS of praise).

Jack is not a dog that is normally timid or skittish, and he thoroughly enjoys bringing me dead fish and frogs when we walk by the lake. He is normally a very inquisitive dog and I have seen him try to approach kitties after being clawed by them, so it's not like small furries freak him out in general...

So I have to wonder, why was he so freaked by the raccoon? My two theories are: that he either saw the raccoon as a high value item that belonged to Sally, and so stayed away from it even when she was not there. I have seen him avoid things that she has "claimed" before, but not like this. Plus, if she is "claiming" something there is usually some verbalization on her part, and I was outside and didn't hear anything.

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He saw the chase/attack/scuffle/kill and was perhaps bothered by it? He does not have what I would call much of a prey drive. he does not "kill" soft toys--he just carries them around, he could care less about chasing the laser pointer dot, can be called off critters pretty easily, the most violent thing he has done to small critters is lick them too hard, etc. He does like to "chase" things that you throw, but only to grab them and bring them back. Perhaps what he saw just bothered and confused him, and the result was dead raccoon fear? I mean, he did not seem to fear Sally afterward at all....
 
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King normally doesn't really pay a lot of attention when Molly kills something, except if he thinks she needs help doing it. The only time he really joined in was when the raccoon Molly was fighting with bit her somewhere, and she screamed, then he got into the fight. They tag teamed the coon for a couple of minutes, then Molly picked it up and tossed it against a tree, twice. I thought the first time she did it, it was just pure luck, but it was obvious when she grabbed it, and did it again, she was actually trying to do it. She was circling around the coon, getting ready to finish him off, and King was running up and biting him in the back end, when the neighbor's kid grabbed her tail and someone grabbed King who was obviously going to do what Molly couldn't at that point. The next morning, animal control went to the neighbor's house to take the coon away for rabies testing, he was in bad shape, and was acting very odd, but wasn't rabid, just very badly hurt..

He did kill a skunk once, a few years ago. I was kind of in shock as Molly just stood there watching while he showed he had the same "skills" as Molly, and quickly killed the skunk, getting sprayed heavily. As soon as it was over, she and King both tossed the skunk around and rolled on it. I'm not sure why King almost never really gets involved with the attacks, but he definitely is in charge, of everything except the back yard, where he is back up for Molly, who rules. It's an odd deal, as Molly otherwise is very timid.

My one friend has a Ridgeback mix who never killed, or showed interest in killing anything, but they got a female Lab pup, who at about 9 months, began killing rabbits and possums, and the always present skunks. Suddenly, about a year later, he began killing things too, and they would get very nasty when going after the same animal, but would let the other one keep whatever they killed. He's about 25 pounds heavier than the Lab is, and much stronger, and he runs the show, except outside, where they seem to be equals. I think King and Molly have a better arrangement.
 

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I have three terriers and a dad who hunts, so dead animals are quite common at my house. Each one of the terriers has no problem with dead things, and they even get obsessed when we have a deer hanging in the garage.

However, my Jack (the Lab mix) exhibits the SAME behavoir that your Jack does. He won't go near the dead animals, and seems to sulk when we have a deer. He will completely avoid the area, and is generally fearful of them. He is the most confident dog any other time. And he has very little prey drive as well.

I've always just accepted that he doesn't like dead things.
 
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Bimmer taught Kharma and Shiva that you kill what you eat and you leave what others kill ALONE. They will walk a wide circle around anything he's killed.

If it's a joint kill, he eats part and leaves part for whoever helped.

Thankfully, he's also instilled in them the idea that if you find it dead, don't eat it.

Sounds like maybe you've got something like that going on. It's a good inhibition -- among other things it keeps fights from breaking out over prey.
 

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Racoons are scary. My old boss told me he saw one flip under a dog and kick out it's bowls. Old MOther Superior would kill them she ran up and grabbed them by the neck and tossed them up, when they came down they were dead. I would prefer Victor and Pepper never try such a thing. i think i would have a heart attack. I do my best to keep them from killing things, like i go out the door first so the squirrels have a warning, when the baby squirrels are down Pepper will wear her bell. VIctor' doesnt' kill them he just grabs them which is how he got bit through the tongue a summer ago.

Mary would never harm a thing. SHe looked heart broken when she found the three baby squirrels all cold. She mothers kittens. IT isnt' in her at all.
 
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I wouldn't want Pepper or Vic to have a run in with a raccoon either, Smkie! They aren't set up for it at all! Raccoons are downright dangerous as far as dogs are concerned. Possums and groundhogs can be too.
 

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Raccoons are really rough customers but almost anything bigger than 10# should be able to reach a mexican standoff and most dogs over 50# should be able to kill all but the huge great lakes coons.
Sonic, my shag, caught a 20# boar coon (down here that is a beast of a coon) back in feb. the coon broke two of his own teeth in the resulting brawl. he also split one of Sonic's ears nearly 3/4 of the way up and the other ear was split about an inch. he also had several tooth punctures in his lips. the coon had a few puncture marks on him but looked really good. when i skinned it out it looked like someone had worked the coon over w/ a clawhammer (the claw side). this was depressing since i had planned on roasting it. this was an exceptional coon most aren't quite as tough or as big (down here). keep in mind there are folks using 15-25# pats & borders to kill them down in hole & up in attics & barns.
 

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Coons are tuff little critters! Maybe he saw the fight and doesnt want anything to do with the coon.

My friend has a dog that has taken down deer before! they thought he was just finding them already dead and bringing them home until they saw him in their field bring a buck down! I was amazed! He's a huge dog. His mom is a purebred malamute and dad is unknown. But from his size he could have dane in him and he's also thin with long legs and a long nose that makes me think greyhound. I'll have to try and get a picture sometime.
 

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Yea Yea Pops what can I say we grow 'em big up here <G>. 20# is large your way?

She might have verbalized earlier and he was remembering it.
 
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Don't know how much the ones on the back deck weighed, but they were about the size of chunky Border Collies, lol.

Problem with raccoons is they go for the dogs' eyes if they can.
 
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Don't know how much the ones on the back deck weighed, but they were about the size of chunky Border Collies, lol.

Problem with raccoons is they go for the dogs' eyes if they can.
 

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