Newfoundland vs. Bernese Mtn Dog

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It will be a long time before I get another dog, but just to solve my curiosity...

I'll probably always own Goldens, but I'm interested in other breeds too, such as the Newfoundland and the Bernese Mountain Dog. I love BIG dogs. :) I do not know too too much about either breed. I've been around them in dog training classes before, but that's about it. And I've researched them a little, but not too much.

For those of you who have had experience with Newfs or Bernese, or even both, what are some good/bad traits about them. Also, what are some differences/similarities between them.

Thanks in advance! :)
 

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Newfies are some of the sweetest large dog's i've ever had to deal with. Although there are some agressive specimens, most are nice. They are strong, and love water, what more can you want :p

I like them alot more then bernese.
 

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Berners dies too young-- lots of health problems. They shed a ton- in both black and white, so it will show up on your clothes, and your furniture, regardless of whether it is light or dark.

Why not just stay with a Golden Retriever? They are great dogs.
 

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When we were looking at what kind of breeds we were interested in, we took a long look at the Bernese and Newfies.

Both breeds are big, shed lots of black hair and are prone to drooling. Both should be easy going, friendly dogs.

the bottom line for me was:
Berners of today come from a very small gene pool which creates some potential problems both with health and also potential for unstable temperament. Berners tend to be very short lived ~ 8 years and some die even sooner :( .
You can certainly find wonderful Berners out there, and it's always a crap shoot when you get a puppy, but the downsides and potential problems are far greater with a Berner than a Newf.

This is just my opinion based on what I read and the people I talked to and this is in no way a put down of Berners. I think both are absolutely wonderful breeds.
 

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You can certainly find wonderful Berners out there, and it's always a crap shoot when you get a puppy, but the downsides and potential problems are far greater with a Berner than a Newf.

This is just my opinion based on what I read and the people I talked to and this is in no way a put down of Berners.
No, not a put down. Sadly, its true. (Except for the drooling part. The Berner is basically a dry-mouthed breed. Nothing close to the Newfie in this regard.)
 
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I have a newfie mutt and he's the best dog. He's close to a purebred I think but not quite. He's sooo well behaved and learned quickly mostly because he's quite food and attention oriented. I find that he loves to wander and will definitely dive into any water he can find. He'll even lay in puddles. His rescuing qualities must be inherited because he has 'rescued' me (I wasn't really drowning) and he's always watching people swim. He gets upset and quite whiny when kids swim out too far. He's good with all people and dogs and if anything is timid with other animals. He likes people but doesn't LOVE people. He likes attention but he's not needy and can go days without a cuddle but when he needs one he just puts his big head in your lap and waits lol. He's so cute. Lots of grooming though!
 

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Newfies are wonderful dogs and have no flaws that most other large dogs don't have. I don't see it as a flaw but they are poor guard dogs and watch dogs that I have seen.

Berners (I have only known lady who bred theses) are very sweet dogs but to me don't have the personality of Newfies.

Berners also (as other have mentioned) have a lot of health problems make sure to find a very good breeder....
 

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Thanks so much for all of the replies! I have really learned a lot! From what I've been told sofar, it seems that a Newfoundland would be a better match for me... I want a dog with a personality similar to the golden--a dog who LOVES people. My family has owned goldens for nearly 25 years, along with a few setters, but I think it would be fun to add a bit of diversity. Believe me, we will ALWAYS have at least one golden in the family. Honestly, this was just for my curiousity and knowledge, my family won't be getting any more dogs within the next 6-10 years... I'll be graduating high school in 2 years, then college for 4 years after that, and possibly vet school after that... it wouldn't be fair on the dog for me to get one and not be able to spend time with it.
 
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The main issue with Bernese Mountain Dogs is cancer. Their average lifespan is only 6-8 years right now. I have spoken with many people about this, and have liked the breed since I was really young. Every one that I've met has been very friendly and playful even as they get older.
Everyone says the same thing about this breed, they stay a puppy for at least their first 3 years, and still don't really calm down until they are around 5 or 6 years old. Many die of cancer around 6 or 8, and while many larger breeds (like the Newfoundland) have a high likelihood of developing hip problems later in life, the Bernese Mountain Dog has an even greater chance of dying before the hip problems become a big issue.
I've only met one or two Newfoundlands, and they were both friendly, but not quite as playful or interested in people as the Bernese Mountain Dogs that I've met. Both seem like great breeds though, and I hope to own a BMD at some point (when I have enough space to give the dog proper exercise).
 

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The main issue with Bernese Mountain Dogs is cancer. Their average lifespan is only 6-8 years right now. I have spoken with many people about this, and have liked the breed since I was really young. Every one that I've met has been very friendly and playful even as they get older.
Everyone says the same thing about this breed, they stay a puppy for at least their first 3 years, and still don't really calm down until they are around 5 or 6 years old. Many die of cancer around 6 or 8, and while many larger breeds (like the Newfoundland) have a high likelihood of developing hip problems later in life, the Bernese Mountain Dog has an even greater chance of dying before the hip problems become a big issue.
I've only met one or two Newfoundlands, and they were both friendly, but not quite as playful or interested in people as the Bernese Mountain Dogs that I've met. Both seem like great breeds though, and I hope to own a BMD at some point (when I have enough space to give the dog proper exercise).

It's sad that all of my "favorite breeds", or the ones I'm interested in, are prone to cancer...
 

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I have a newf pup, and though I may be biased, I think they're amazing.

I have worked with quite a few, and have met hundreds in the past few years. Most that I have met have been very friendly and active well into adulthood. I have a friend who owns a 14 year old very healthy newf. If purchased from the right breeder, and with proper care, newfs can live a very long life. Of course there is a chance of hip dysplasia, but that is pretty much with all giant breeds. My boy has it, but I can't say that his breeder was the best.







After his TPO on his right hip


Even with all of the problems I have had with my newf, I can honestly say I will always have at least one in my home for the rest of my life.

If you want more info, check here: http://www.newf.net/
 

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I have known both and I think they both are great dogs. Judging from the dogs that I have had personal experience with, I can say that the Newfs seem very gentle, quiet and loving and are larger. The Berners always seem very happy and bouncy-jolly, but not hyper, just borderline goofy.

The two Newfs I came to know vey well were beautiful dogs but came from a BYB and they ended up having hip and elbow dysplasia, entropion and cherry eye all before one year (they were littermates). Poorly bred, the Newf can have many health problems along side the Berner.
 

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Well I have a berner puppy but I will TRY not to be biased. Berners are amazing dogs. Yes they have a tendency to be short lived and are prone to cancers, hip and elbow dysplasia, and also blindness but if you go to a good breeder than you reduce your risk or your puppy falling victim to such things (not eliminate but gives you a better chance).

My berner puppy is amazingly intelligent and already knows sit, down, stay, paw, high-five, and wave!


Yes they do shed which would require possibly daily vacumming (which we do as we also have a lab). They are suppose to be a dry mouth breed and should produce little drool. Although it depends on the mouth structure though as well. Berners are usually a lot smaller than newfies as well. They should remain somewhere less than 130 lbs I believe but my girl will probably be small, in the 75-80 lb range.

Berners need to be part of the family they are not a dog to get and then leave out in the backyard, this will make for one unhappy berner. Berners have the tendency to be very independant though and may not bond with you right away but it will eventually happen. Holly is just starting to bond and look to me for guidance. You also much have a very gentle hand with berners they don't take kindly to harsh training methods. Holly is very sensitive, and if we yell (not even at her) she will get sad and hide :(.
 

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Everyone says the same thing about this breed, they stay a puppy for at least their first 3 years, and still don't really calm down until they are around 5 or 6 years old.
I've always heard, "Three years a puppy, three years an adult, and three years an old dog.". I have a friend with a ten year old Berner who is just beginning to show signs of gradual kidney failure. He came from a great breeder, and has been on a healthy, mostly raw diet his whole life.

I've only known a couple of Newfs, and only a few well-bred Berners (there is a horrible breeder near me, so I've seen a lot of those). Ironically, when people would ask my friend about BMD, he would often reply, "they aren't a tri-colored Golden." The Berner's I've known tend to be a bit more reserved then most Goldens, and aren't always instantly best friends with everyone they meet. My friend's has proven that he can and will protect his property and his people if needed. Not aggressive at all towards people who don't pose any sort of threat, but clearly more of a "working dog" attitude. I love him, but couldn't deal with the life span.
 

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One last thing. I love both breeds and have considered both but I can't face another dog lost to cancer.

That said, the newfoundland is the most noble of dogs. If any breed can be summerized by words then the words for the Newfoundland are:

For Valor

Below a roll:

Gander:

During the battle, an enemy grenade landed near a group of Canadian soldiers. Probably out of concern for his friends, Gander grabbed the grenade in his mouth and carried it to where it would do no harm. Unfortunately, the grenade exploded in Gander's mouth, killing him instantly. He had given his life saving the lives of the Canadian soldiers.

Gander, the Newfoundland dog, was posthumously awarded the prestigious Dickin Medal, equivalent to the Victoria Cross, the highest award given to soldiers of the British Commonwealth for their acts of bravery.

Seaman:

Meriwether Lewis (Famed Explorer):

" a bear came within thirty yards of our camp last night and eat up about thirty weight of buffaloe suit which was hanging on a pole, my dog seems to be in a constant state of alarm with these bears and keeps barking all night" – June 27, 1805

Some were curious "last night we were all allarmed by a large buffaloe bull, when he came near the tent, my dog saved us by causing him to change his course" – May 29, 1805

And other guests desired to travel with the Corps " walking on shore this evening I met with a buffaloe calf which attached itself to me and continued to follow close at my heels untill I embarked and left it. It appeared allarmed at my dog which was probably the cause of it’s so readily attaching itself to me" – April 22, 1805

Tang

In 1919 a ship crashed off the coast of Newfoundland during a storm and began to break against the rocks. Numerous attempts to get a rope across to the ship failed until Tang took the rope and made it to the rapidly sinking Ethie. Securing the rope, 92 people were brought to safety thanks to Tang.

Tang was awarded a medal of Meritorious Service by Lloyds of London.

Rigel

Titanic lifeboat 4 was saved from being struck by the rescue ship Carpathia when Rigel, who had spent three hours swimming in the sub-freezing waters of the Atlantic, began barking so loudly that the hands aboard Carpathia saw the lifeboat and managed to push it to the side before it was struck. Nobody about lifeboat 4 was strong enough to shout and the captain of Carpathia noted the lifeboat would likely had been lost had it not been for Rigel. Rigel was rescued. His owner, Titanic First Officer Murdoch, did not survive.

I know I've left out possibly hundreds of Newfies who have devoted their lives to serve and save humans, sometimes at the cost of their own lives. This is just a sample of what this remarkable breed has done for us.

Only one man, one of the greats of literature, has managed to even vaguely express the proper gratitude mankind owes to the Newfoundland...

Boatswain

Companion of George Gordon, 6th Baron Byron (Lord Byron)

A tenant farmer told that whilst by the Upper Lake at Newstead he sometimes saw the poet "get into the boat with his two noble Newfoundland dogs, row into the middle of the lake, then dropping the oars tumble over into the middle of the water. The faithful animals would immediately follow, seize him by the coat collar, one on each side, and bear him away to land..."

Upon Boatswain's death, the poet was moved to write:

When some proud son of man returns to earth,
Unknown to glory, but upheld by birth,
The sculptor's art exhausts the pomp of woe,
And storied urns record who rests below;
When all is done, upon the tomb is seen,
Not what he was, but what he should have been.
But the poor dog, in life the firmest friend,
The first to welcome, the foremost to defend,
Whose honest heart is still his master's own,
Who labors, lives, fights, breathes for him alone,
Unhonored falls, unnoticed all his worth,
Denied in heaven the soul he held on earth.
While man, vain insect, hopes to be forgiven,
And claims himself a sole, exclusive heaven.
Ye! Who behold, perchance, this simple urn,
Pass on; it honours none you wish to mourn.
To mark a friend's remains these stones rise,
I have never known but one - and here he lies.


To his great friend, Byron erected a monument and upon it engraved the following, Boatswain's monument well serves his entire breed:

Near this spot are deposited the remains of one who possessed Beauty without Vanity, Strength without Insolence, Courage without Ferocity, and all the Virtues of Man, without his Vices. This Praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery if inscribed over human ashes, is but a just tribute to the Memory of Boatswain, a Dog.
 

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I love big dogs too . When I lost my Chip in July , I would have taken any whatever bonded to me ........ one look at Ollie on petfinder sold me on Ollie .....he's basically a Golden in looks ,heart and spirit . Whatever his other half is , blended in well .
 

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