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[shadowfacedanes]

I think that with common sense and some background on the specific breed, you can make that decision yourself. What we can do is try to weed out BYB from responsible breeders.

I know *I* can, but what about the poor unsuspecting soul who plops along to your site, reads all your claims about great breeders, and thinks they've found one looking through your site?

I'm not sure what you have done to try to weed out the BYB's, but by allowing that link to reciprocate from YOUR site, you're not doing much at all.

And I'm not going through the dozens of things that make those breeders OBVIOUSLY crappy. I don't have the energy right now. It's YOU who should be doing the research before allowing it on your site. Whether they paid for it or not, those dane breeders are listed on YOUR site.

 

[Boxer100]

I searched all the yorkie and poodle breeders and wouldnt buy from any of them ever...

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That SCREAMS BYB!!!

Majority of these breeders are listed on other websites as well and are AKC registered. Are you saying that AKC is one big puppy mill? I am not saying you are not right about some of these breeders, but how does AKC tolerate this?

 

[Boxer100]

I know *I* can, but what about the poor unsuspecting soul who plops along to your site, reads all your claims about great breeders, and thinks they've found one looking through your site?

I'm not sure what you have done to try to weed out the BYB's, but by allowing that link to reciprocate from YOUR site, you're not doing much at all.

And I'm not going through the dozens of things that make those breeders OBVIOUSLY crappy. I don't have the energy right now. It's YOU who should be doing the research before allowing it on your site. Whether they paid for it or not, those dane breeders are listed on YOUR site.

There is a rating system in place as well as a place where you can leave a breeder review. That means if you or someone else does not like their business, then explain why in a review or rate them. Eventually, the responsible breeders will rise to the top.

 

[corgipower]

Majority of these breeders are listed on other websites as well and are AKC registered. Are you saying that AKC is one big puppy mill? I am not saying you are not right about some of these breeders, but how does AKC tolerate this?

AKC doesn't check their breeding practices. They don't care if you're breedng dogs that have health certs or not. They don't care if you're breeding 6 month old dogs or 16 year old dogs. They don't care if you're breeding dogs with horrible temperaments. AKC is nothing more than a database of parentage. A registry.

At least some of the breed registries (JRs for example) do track and insist on performance records and health records.

Is AKC one big puppy mill? Nope. Is it possible for puppy millers and BYBs to register with AKC? Yup. As long as you can pass the DNA requirements if they ask for it and pay the fees.

 

[Dekka]

Many puppy mills AKC/CKC register their dogs. All they care about is that you mate two purebred dogs (of the same breed) together and pay them money. They don't care if its mother/son crosses, or if the dog is riddled with genetic health issues. They don't care if you sell your pups to pet stores, they don't care if you sign a code of ethics.

AKC/CKC registry means little to nothing in the way of quality breeders.

 

[Dekka]

There is a rating system in place as well as a place where you can leave a breeder review. That means if you or someone else does not like their business, then explain why in a review or rate them. Eventually, the responsible breeders will rise to the top.

Not likely true. It will turn into a bashing area. There is nothing to stop people from posting lies to retaliate. This happens all the time. A BYB gets fingered as such.. then they go on a smear campaign to 'get back' at the 'good breeders' who expressed (or not) concern.

 

[Boxer100]

Not likely true. It will turn into a bashing area. There is nothing to stop people from posting lies to retaliate. This happens all the time. A BYB gets fingered as such.. then they go on a smear campaign to 'get back' at the 'good breeders' who expressed (or not) concern.

Well, I guess then there are no people with any morals left. We live in one disturbed society.
There is a way for us to find out who posted the review and if the same person posted bad reviews for multiple breeders.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Majority of these breeders are listed on other websites as well and are AKC registered. Are you saying that AKC is one big puppy mill?

No... read Dekka's post, no point in repeating what she has already put so well...

Also, the AKC never said...

These profile pages can be used to ... as an access point for people looking for reputable breeders and the services that they offer.

Every breeder who registers and provides a website is checked to make sure they are not running a puppy mill. We basically visit each breeder's website and make sure that they are breeding with the betterment of the breed in mind.

If this is just a site for breeders to put advertisements then list it as such... do not give people the false idea that this is a list of pre- screened REPUTABLE breeders when in fact it is a list of BYB's looking for more business.

 

[Boxer100]

No... read Dekka's post, no point in repeating what she has already put so well...

Also, the AKC never said...






If this is just a site for breeders to put advertisements then list it as such... do not give people the false idea that this is a list of pre- screened REPUTABLE breeders when in fact it is a list of BYB's looking for more business.

Who are you to call all of these breeders BYBs because some of these breeders I know personally who care about their dogs and breed only when they think it is safe to do. Also, they are very active in the dog show ring. Read our terms of use: http://www.k9ring.com/Terms-Of-Use. We do not guarantee that all breeders are reputable. Not all people are angels too you know. You can find plenty of reputable breeders on our site. Stop bashing other people's sites if you have nothing constructive to say.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Who are you to call all of these breeders BYBs because some of these breeders I know personally who care about their dogs and breed only when they think it is safe to do. Also, they are very active in the dog show ring. Stop bashing other people's sites if you have nothing constructive to say.

Sorry when you came here you gave up the right to tell me what I could and couldnt post... you posted a site here that you said was a list of reputable breeders and you didnt expect a board full of dog lovers to look at the list and out the truth? No one here wants a "lurker" to take your statements at face value.

You dont need to be anyone to see that these are BYB's... anyone who breeds "teacup poodles" or "tiny yorkies" is a BYB these things just dont exist... as well anyone who will "ship next day" is a BYB... a reputable breeder would not just have dogs laying around to ship off on a whim...

saying these people are reputable breeders is a slap in the face to the people on this site and elsewhere who actually ARE reptuable breeders.

 

[Boxer100]

Sorry when you came here you gave up the right to tell me what I could and couldnt post... you posted a site here that you said was a list of reputable breeders and you didnt expect a board full of dog lovers to look at the list and out the truth? No one here wants a "lurker" to take your statements at face value.

You dont need to be anyone to see that these are BYB's... anyone who breeds "teacup poodles" or "tiny yorkies" is a BYB these things just dont exist... as well anyone who will "ship next day" is a BYB... a reputable breeder would not just have dogs laying around to ship off on a whim...

saying these people are reputable breeders is a slap in the face to the people on this site and elsewhere who actually ARE reptuable breeders.

Our site is a dog breeder community where breeders can promote their kennels and their dogs and interact with other breeders and dog lovers. We will remove the word "reputable" if that is your concern, however we have reputable breeders listed with us.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Our site is a dog breeder community where breeders can promote their kennels and their dogs and interact with other breeders and dog lovers. We will remove the word "reputable" if that is your concern, however we have reputable breeders listed with us.

The word reputable should be YOUR concern. You are not doing any good for the world of dogs by promoting BYB's. I looked at two breeds and went through every state and not one of those breeders would I ever consider buying from. There was no information about health testing, there were multiple litters a year, there was nothing reputable about them- NOTHING. Shame on you for promoting such a thing!

 

[Boxer100]

The word reputable should be YOUR concern. You are not doing any good for the world of dogs by promoting BYB's. I looked at two breeds and went through every state and not one of those breeders would I ever consider buying from. There was no information about health testing, there were multiple litters a year, there was nothing reputable about them- NOTHING. Shame on you for promoting such a thing!

Tell us who they are and we will remove them. What is your definition of BYB? There are some hobby breeders listed there and we are aware of that. To call someone a BYB you have to have proof. What if you are a breeder who does not like some other breeder and just wants to ruin their reputation? We will go today through all of the listings and start deleting one by one.

 

[Dekka]

Well, I guess then there are no people with any morals left. We live in one disturbed society.
There is a way for us to find out who posted the review and if the same person posted bad reviews for multiple breeders.

So what if one concerned person goes through and highlites all the byb and people who are contributing to the pet over population?

 

[corgipower]

What is your definition of BYB?

What is your definition of a BYB? It is, after all, your site. What is your criteria for reputable?

 

[Boxer100]

So what if one concerned person goes through and highlites all the byb and people who are contributing to the pet over population?

There are other sites that list complaints. If someone writes a bad review about somebody, chances are that if it's true that there is also someone else who wrote a bad review about them somewhere else. We can then check that specific breeder and see how many other complains there are about them.

 

[Dekka]

Here is a good list to check up when people list on your site (if you truly are interested in maintaining a list of reputable breeders)

Are the dogs registered with an accredited body (that way its not just AKC type dogs)

Have the breeders signed their breed's code of ethics?

Have the breeders in any way proven their lines, ie titles, CGCs, therapy dogs what have you...

Do the offer a good, or great, health guarantee (good is for years... great if for life)?

Does the breeder have proof of health testing?

Is the breeder willing to take back ANY puppy the produce if the buyers can't keep it?

Does the breeder offer breeder support?

What kind of screening to potential buyers have to go through?

etc etc...

 

[Boxer100]

What is your definition of a BYB? It is, after all, your site. What is your criteria for reputable?

Puppy mills are large-scale dog breeding facilities that operate under substandard breeding conditions causing the development of chronic health problems, temperament issues, and hereditary defects in puppies. Majority of the breeders on our site are not puppy mills. They are responsible breeders. With your thinking, every dog breeder directory site that is currently on the Internet (and there are many) has only BYBs. You are overgeneralizing.

 

[Boxer100]

Here is a good list to check up when people list on your site (if you truly are interested in maintaining a list of reputable breeders)

Are the dogs registered with an accredited body (that way its not just AKC type dogs)

Have the breeders signed their breed's code of ethics?

Have the breeders in any way proven their lines, ie titles, CGCs, therapy dogs what have you...

Do the offer a good, or great, health guarantee (good is for years... great if for life)?

Does the breeder have proof of health testing?

Is the breeder willing to take back ANY puppy the produce if the buyers can't keep it?

Does the breeder offer breeder support?

What kind of screening to potential buyers have to go through?

etc etc...

Thank you. This is the first constructive reply I've seen so far. We will implement these measures on our site, and we are not just saying this. The site is still new and we spent a lot of time making it, and when someone just bashes your work, it hurts.

 

[Dekka]

I don't think she asked about puppy mills (tho not all are large) She asked about byb.


and as a quick example (I looked up boxers cause that was your username)

http://www.landosboxers.com/index.htm

this site screams byb. No mention of titles, health testing, or guarantees. BUT there is lots on how to ship your boxer!! No good breeder is going to be more interested in shipping then they are on finding good homes and producing healthy correct pups.