Discussion in 'Dog Training Forum' started by AdrianneIsabel, Dec 18, 2012.
Effective July 1, 2013
Just for clarity, if you want to do ALL the optional titles, it would be in this order:
Looks like it... I'm still re-reading and clarifying why we need these new classes, tbh.
Ha, too true. Five titles before you ever get to open? I can understand the Beginner Novice and/or Pre-Novice for people new to obedience. I'm going to start Beginner Novice this year with Logan just to get a feel for formal obedience. But once you get a CD, you ought to have an idea of what you're doing.
Jumping from the cdx to ud it's a leap so I can see some building blocks and I think the bn is a good idea but more steps?
from what I understand these new classes aren't even required, you don't HAVE to enter Graduate novice before you enter Open for example.
That's correct, you can still title through Novice-Open-Utility just like before and ignore everything else.
OK, now I'm confused- does that mean they're doing away with Beginner Novice?
Correct. Optional titling classes can be done in any order, and you can enter more than one level at the same show.
ETA- Nevermind- I saw BN in the judging time schedule.
Craziness! Thanks for the link!
They aren't required, and you don't have to do them in order. There are people where we train who have UDs on their dogs and have "gone back" and put a BN on them. I think, on the handler & dog part, it's more for ring experience, or in the case of an older dog who likes to compete, a way to keep them active. On the AKC's part- it's money.
Oh I know we don't have to do them, I do genuinely believe its good to do a BN before a CD because its far less pressure and a great introduction to the ring. Also, I do genuinely believe a stepping stone between the CDX and UD would be nice as they are really very different and lack any real building blocks from previous classes.
I don't however see the drive to spend money to go between the BN & CD with a prenovice? What do you practice in there, that you don't in the BN, to prepare for the CD? Maybe I need to reread the PDF again.
On that note, I'd rather see more wildcards at discount prices, but that doesn't financially benefit the AKC.
I haven't read the class requirements yet, but I'm thinking a benefit would be more ring time. Once you earn the BN title, I don't think you can show in that class anymore (after the grace period). And, again, those older dogs who maybe can't physicaly earn an OTCH would have something to compete in. But, my gut is telling me the bottom line is money for the AKC.
Yeah I figured you knew but with them listed in order like that earlier in the thread I just wanted to clarify for those who may not.
As for why competitors would bother spending money on these classes, I can think of several reasons even just among people I know:
1- Wanting to play with an older or physically limited dog. The new classes have short jump heights (half I think).
2- Proving skills in the working section of the test while avoiding group stays. This particularly for people who had a bad experience or witnessed a bad experience with a dog who had no business doing group exercises.
3- Extra ring time. Some will treat these as C matches for training or brushing up on skills in a trial environment.
4- Alphabet soupers. There are those who simply must collect all the letter regardless of value-added. Some just like the collection, others think the list of letters make their dog look more accomplished (whether he is or not). The later can also often be ID'd by listing everything under the sun (NA NAJ NAF OA OAJ CD BN CDX...) even though some supercede earlier titles or by collecting and advertising for instance rally novice titles from five organizations and advertising their dog as a rally superstar though they've never Q'd in even the second tier of difficulty.
5- Someone with a retired dog who just wants to play a round, or with a novice dog who just wants to see where they are, or a handler who gets nervous in the ring who wants practice without what they perceive as the higher pressure of the normal classes.
There are probably others but those come to mind.
All fair answers and the idea of the new group stays is interesting for Arnold. thanks!
Pre-Open makes me want to dust Luce off and try her out. My reason for never entering her in Open was she can't jump that high or long anymore. But Pre-Open is half height/width.
Maybe if they offer it locally....
The biggest point of controversy in AKC obedience is group stays, and jump heights. Note that the new Pre-classes involve lower jump heights, and no group stays. It's obvious that rather than change the existing program, they just added new classes that people can title in.
I might bring Tess back out for pre-Open and pre-Utility. We'll see. I am one who is avoiding group stays, because they make her uncomfortable, but I do like training the more advanced exercises.
Do you guys have veteran heights down there? We do up here for dogs over 7 years and it allows for lowered jump heights (not sure how much lower but it's still lower)
AKC does not.
However, UKC does.