New 2007 California Law

[Road dog]

I have a fully fenced yard so I have never had to worry about my girls while I was away. I leave them loose outside to run and play within the safe confines of the yard.

I hate teathering dogs because I have read and heard dozens of horror stories about dogs being injured by their teathers, usually neck injuries. Something as simple as chasing a rabbit can severly hurt a chained dog if the dog is at a full run and runs out of chain. The force of that sudden stop would be transmitted directly to his neck.

I don't like crating because a dog has almost no freedom of movement. They can stand and turn around and that's about it. Maybe crates do simulate a den, but dogs have the option to leave a den when they desire, where as in a crate they don't. I happen to get stiff when I go too long without moving around and I don't want to do that to my dog.

If a situation were ever to arise where I for some reason could not allow my dogs free run of the yard and had to confine them, I would go for an outdoor kennel. Safer than a chain, but with a lot more freedom to move about than with a crate.

 

[Aussie Red]

:hail: :hail: :hail: I can not even believe I am applauding anything California is doing. But there is a first for everything. After being born raised and living there for 43 years I chose to leave because of the politics maybe there is hope for a wonderful state afterall. That being said California is infact a trend setter for the nation lets hope this takes hold nationwide.

 

[elegy]

What would be the difference in tying out a dog and crating a dog for the same amount of time?

crated dogs rarely eat the neighbor's children.

 

[dogstarsleddogs]

*Sigh* Another poorly written law.
Dont get me wrong, I hate it just as much as anyone else when I see a neglectled dog on a chain (or in a kennel), probably much more then alot of people, but you can chain a dog humanely.
First off all, set regulations. Dog must be fed twice a day. Must have fresh water all the time. In the case of winter, water must be offered several time though the day. Must have insulated house, with flap, straw in winter, cedar chips in summer. Must have shade. Waste must be picked up everyday. Flys and bugs must be controled in summer. Must get exersize, love, care, and UTD on vaccinations, H.W. and deworming. Chain must be a minimum of 7 foot, with 2 swivels, and a good snap. There must be no way of it getting tangled on anything, and they must have a full 360º radius to move in. Collar must be good quality, preferably nylon. Must have some form on ID on the dog, or collar.
This should apply to chains, kennel, or dogs loose in your backyard. If the dog lives outside, these rules apply. Heck, even if they're not the law, its a extremly good idea to follow them anyway.

 

[pancho]

crated dogs rarely eat the neighbor's children.

Chained dogs rarely eat the neighbor's children also. I don't know of a single case of a chained dog eating a child.

 

[Bobsk8]

*Sigh* Another poorly written law.
Dont get me wrong, I hate it just as much as anyone else when I see a neglectled dog on a chain (or in a kennel), probably much more then alot of people, but you can chain a dog humanely.
First off all, set regulations. Dog must be fed twice a day. Must have fresh water all the time. In the case of winter, water must be offered several time though the day. Must have insulated house, with flap, straw in winter, cedar chips in summer. Must have shade. Waste must be picked up everyday. Flys and bugs must be controled in summer. Must get exersize, love, care, and UTD on vaccinations, H.W. and deworming. Chain must be a minimum of 7 foot, with 2 swivels, and a good snap. There must be no way of it getting tangled on anything, and they must have a full 360º radius to move in. Collar must be good quality, preferably nylon. Must have some form on ID on the dog, or collar.
This should apply to chains, kennel, or dogs loose in your backyard. If the dog lives outside, these rules apply. Heck, even if they're not the law, its a extremly good idea to follow them anyway.

Maybe you should try chaining yourself to a stake outside or a dog house for a few days or weeks and see how you like it. You could have all the conviences that you think are appropriate like you mentioned in your list, but you have to stay within 10-15 feet of your "house" at all times. Make sure you let us all know how it went for you, if you dare to try it........ http://dogsdeservebetter.com/home.html

 

[pancho]

maybe you should try chaining yourself to a stake outside for a few days and see how you like it. You could have all the conviences that you think are appropriate like, but you have to stay within 10-15 of your "house". Lets us know how you like it........ http://dogsdeservebetter.com/home.html

I agree completely. Think also about spending the same amount of time in a crate. That would be the human equivalent to being in prison.

 

[LoveMyKees]

Thats awesome!

I just wish that law was in effect here in Illinois. On my street there's this poor little white dog named Mishu who is tied up outside pretty much all day long. I'm not sure what breed it is, but its quite small. Its a vicious little thing as well. Its attacked my brother, and tried to bite people. I just feel so bad for it. That's when I wish that law was here too

 

[dogstarsleddogs]

Maybe you should try chaining yourself to a stake outside or a dog house for a few days or weeks and see how you like it. You could have all the conviences that you think are appropriate like you mentioned in your list, but you have to stay within 10-15 feet of your "house" at all times. Make sure you let us all know how it went for you, if you dare to try it........ http://dogsdeservebetter.com/home.html

No can do, have to go about 75 feet away to take care of poochies. Unless if you want me to live with them? Could do that. Like the dogs better then people. We only go into town about once a week, so I'm pretty use to staying right at the house. And if I do stray off the property, I usually have a dog or two (or, 3, or 4, or 5 or more) with me anyway.
As for the dogs seserve better site, I agree, thats pretty horrible stuff. Like I said, I dont like to see dogs being abused anymore then you do. You can humanely tether and kennel a dog. It just takes some common sense. (Which unfortunatly, most people dont have)
I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this one. I agree with you that chaining is cruel in someways, and it really does break my heart to see a abused dog living in that situation. But, this just happens to be the method that works for me. Loose dogs, people comming up, things like that, they are always at the back of my mind. I worry about those things. I love my dogs very, very, much, and I know, if something happened to them, I would never, ever be able to forgive myself. That thought is always on the back of my mind. It may seem ironic, but they are tethered for thier own safety. Right now, we have no fence. Only 5 of the dogs will come back when called, and 2 will probably stick around. The other 3 will be long gone. Tethering will keep them secure. We do have a kennel, incase something does happen. I have used the kennel with the dogs, but, IMO, the chains just work out better. You might never agree with me, but it works.

 

[bubbatd]

Heard more on the news tonight as to the new Indiana laws . NO DOG is to be tied out if they are not spayed or neutered !!!! Hurrah !!!!

 

[RD]

*Sigh* Another poorly written law.
Dont get me wrong, I hate it just as much as anyone else when I see a neglectled dog on a chain (or in a kennel), probably much more then alot of people, but you can chain a dog humanely.
First off all, set regulations. Dog must be fed twice a day. Must have fresh water all the time. In the case of winter, water must be offered several time though the day. Must have insulated house, with flap, straw in winter, cedar chips in summer. Must have shade. Waste must be picked up everyday. Flys and bugs must be controled in summer. Must get exersize, love, care, and UTD on vaccinations, H.W. and deworming. Chain must be a minimum of 7 foot, with 2 swivels, and a good snap. There must be no way of it getting tangled on anything, and they must have a full 360º radius to move in. Collar must be good quality, preferably nylon. Must have some form on ID on the dog, or collar.
This should apply to chains, kennel, or dogs loose in your backyard. If the dog lives outside, these rules apply. Heck, even if they're not the law, its a extremly good idea to follow them anyway.

Nice thoughts, but the government apparently is having difficulty making sure the dog doesn't starve to death on the chain or get out and kill people. I don't think any of those details could be (well they could, I should say WOULD be) enforced by law.

 

[dogstarsleddogs]

Thats the main problem. I absoluty have no problems with chaining/kenneling restrictions, but keep them sensible people. Like I said before, you can do it humanely (and I know several people who do), but with not well thought out laws, it punishes the people who do it right. I have no doubts it will do some good, but put a bit more thought into it.
Or, you could have people have to apply to be able to chain thier dogs, much like a kennel liscence. But like anything, people probably wont obey (or enforce) it very well. Then it really causes more problems.
I'd also like to see some good kenneling laws. I have seen alot more abused dogs in kennels then on chains. And IMO, both can be used the wrong way. Both can also be used the right way.

 

[Bobsk8]

Thats the main problem. I absoluty have no problems with chaining/kenneling restrictions, but keep them sensible people. Like I said before, you can do it humanely (and I know several people who do), but with not well thought out laws, it punishes the people who do it right. I have no doubts it will do some good, but put a bit more thought into it.
Or, you could have people have to apply to be able to chain thier dogs, much like a kennel liscence. But like anything, people probably wont obey (or enforce) it very well. Then it really causes more problems.
I'd also like to see some good kenneling laws. I have seen alot more abused dogs in kennels then on chains. And IMO, both can be used the wrong way. Both can also be used the right way.

You can cage a person up humanely too. Give them all the comforts that they need, feed them, give them medical attention.. They call it jail, and we do it with millions of people. But they deserve to be treated like that for breaking the law. The chained up dog is thrust into that situation for just being alive. I think it is very sad.......

 

[bubbatd]

The point here is that they want to stop the BYB of fighting dogs . I think this is a good start . So many good Pittie owners showed up at the meeting to ban them , the city listened to them . The little girl was in the hospital over 3 months .... her eye was saved , but with 1/2 of her scalp gone and many scars, she still faces about 20 more operations .

 

[Bobsk8]

The point here is that they want to stop the BYB of fighting dogs . I think this is a good start . So many good Pittie owners showed up at the meeting to ban them , the city listened to them . The little girl was in the hospital over 3 months .... her eye was saved , but with 1/2 of her scalp gone and many scars, she still faces about 20 more operations .

You lost me on this post, what meeting are you reffering to?

 

[misticaleclipse]

I can see the safety issue of a crate compared to a chain. Neglect would be very hard to see in a crate inside of a house. On a chain it is out in the open for all to observe. There are probably just as many dogs neglected in a crate as there is those on a chain. I t just isn't as visible. I do know I have read on this forum about owners that crate their dog all day long when they are at work.

I don't understand this reasoning at all. If a person is going to neglect a dog they can do it at any time. This is similar to saying "we'll if we required all dogs to live outside then it would be easier to see/hear them being beaten by there owners". I don't understand that point. Abuse is going to happen inside and outside, regardless of the crate method or the chaining one. An abusive owner is an abusive owner.

I do not need to crate my dog during the day. He's in his crate all night though. Why? Hes 7 1/2 pounds and I was affraid to firstly crush him on the bed, but it's also impossible for him to also jump off the bed without hurting himself. He's safe in the crate, he loves it and sleeps through the night in his large metal crate.

I would rather see a dog crated for 6 hours a day then put in a shelter in a cage or put to sleep. Many people bring destructive dogs to the shelter for this reason which could easily be resolved with a crate. Ask the dog if he wants the crate or loosing his family/being killed. I know what they would choose.

 

[misticaleclipse]

You can cage a person up humanely too. Give them all the comforts that they need, feed them, give them medical attention.. They call it jail, and we do it with millions of people. But they deserve to be treated like that for breaking the law. The chained up dog is thrust into that situation for just being alive. I think it is very sad.......

A humans natural enviroment is not a jail cell, I agree; however, a crate, acting as a den, is natural for a dog. That is why I do not agree with this comparison.

 

[Bobsk8]

A humans natural enviroment is not a jail cell, I agree; however, a crate, acting as a den, is natural for a dog. That is why I do not agree with this comparison.

I never saw a den with a locked door on it, have you?

 

[~Jessie~]

That is great

 

[misticaleclipse]

I never saw a den with a locked door on it, have you?

No I haven't, but there are times when a dog would be in there den for a long period of time.

A dog house outside may not have a door, but in -40c teperatures I doubt if there was no door my shih tzu would be going outside in that kind of temperature. They also would be in the den for a long period of time while sleeping, which is exackly what I do with my dog.

If it's so bad why do our dogs go into there crates for like 4-8 hours when the door is left open and they stay in there and sleep by choice?

In many ways a dog is like a child, just because the child wants to do something does not mean you as a parent are going to let them because it's not safe for them. It is a safety concern first and foremost for me.

If my dog was destructive I would look at crate training him during periods of the day, luckily he's not. It takes time to train a destructive dog and I don't thinks it's reasonable to have your house destroyed while trying to train the dog instead of using a crate for small enough periods of time.

Sorry to sway off topic with other people op. There is no comparison really to crating and chaining and its great that California is putting this law on the books, even if they may not enforce it well.