Natura (Innova) and Animal Testing

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Just today I realized that Natura does animal testing (though it's the "happy fluffy bunny" kind, it's still animal testing and I will not support that as I have been trying to fill my life with only cruelty-free products). So I am beginning the search for a new dog food. Below the article from Natura's website, I have included cruelty-free (meaning they don't conduct laboratory animal testing) pet food companies that I am searching through. I'd love to hear anyone's experiences with any of the listed products.

What type of testing does Natura do?

The Natura Pet Products Animal Testing Policy

Natura Pet Products believes strongly in the importance of nutritional testing to validate our products and to support the development of new, innovative and healthful diets. However, we have never been comfortable with the care and treatment of animals at most independent facilities. As a result, we realized that the only way to reconcile both issues was to build our own facility and manage the care and treatment of the test animals ourselves.

The Belfield Pet Food Research & Development Center is a humane, non-invasive testing facility which was built near our manufacturing plant in Nebraska. The Belfield Center sits on 8.5 acres. The building itself is 11,500 square feet under roof and is climate controlled year-round with 3 large HVAC units. There are 19 spacious outdoor pens for long term dog feeding studies, 56 indoor runs with full access to their outdoor runs, and 2 x 3000 square foot dog exercise yards. There is a cat play room and Natura's "Dog of the Week" room, which is a fully decorated home living room which is being utilized by a different canine resident each week. All residents of the Belfield Center have regular play time and frequent interaction with the staff. Toys of all kinds, cat scratching posts and cat furniture is available for all residents. Animals living at the Belfield Center come to us from a variety of sources, including rescue groups, breeders and private homes.

All animals in the facility are cared for humanely and it is important for our customers to know that all living and test spaces far exceed the minimum requirements set by the USDA. It is also important for everyone to know that all work done at the Belfield Center is non-invasive; the dog and cat residents serve us to eat pet food. Period. A practicing local veterinarian has been contracted to provide regular health care to all animals. The facility is managed by Becky Lynn, Bachelor of Science degree in Animal Science. The animals are cared for by a conscientious staff of 4 full time staff members, including one staff member with veterinary technician experience.


TESTING POLICIES

1. All testing will be non-invasive to the animals and will consist only of palatability, digestibility, stool quality, AAFCO protocol feeding studies or other similarly designed studies for nutritional substantiation.

2. All animals will be cared for as if they were pets in our home, including interaction and socialization.

3. We will always far exceed minimum standards established by the Animal Welfare Act of the US, the US Department of Agriculture.

4. We will not conduct any study requiring or resulting in the euthanasia of cats or dogs.

5. We will ensure the humane treatment of cats and dogs that reside in the facility and provide for animal well-being, socialization and husbandry in a manner compatible with our own philosophy and conscience.

6. We will require that all residents have regular and timely veterinary check-ups. Any animal that shows signs of illness will be provided veterinary care immediately.

7. Resident animals will be adopted-out to private homes following their retirement from the Belfield Center. The adoption process will begin while the animals are still well within their productive and active years.

8. Natura will continue to keep an interest in our "retired" residents, and will support their feeding and health care for a period of time after adoption. Natura employees, dealers and customers will be given first priority to adopt these animals.

9. The Belfield Center will have an advisory panel made up of pet care professionals, community representatives, and veterinary practitioners for the purpose of routine facility tours and oversight. Dr Wendell O. Belfield will serve on the Animal Care & Use Committee which will meet at least semi-annually.

10. Extra care will be taken with all new animals upon their arrival at the Belfield Center to minimize the stress of their relocation and to encourage quick socialization with the other animals and Natura staff. Each animal at the Belfield Center will have a name, not a number.

source: http://www.naturapet.com/tools/faqs.asp?view=all
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Cruelty-Free Foods

Active Life Pet Products
1-877-291-2913
www.activelifepp.com
Amoré Pet Services, Inc.
1-866-572-6673
www.amorepetfoods.com
Animal Food Services
1-800-743-0322
www.animalfood.com
Artemis Pet Food
1-800-282-5876
www.artemiscompany.com
Azmira Holistic Animal Care
1-800-497-5665
www.azmira.com
Boston Baked Bonz, Inc.
781-752-4040
www.bostonbakedbonz.com
Bravo Raw Diet
1-866-922-9222
www.bravorawdiet.com
Burns Pet Health, Inc.
1-877-983-9651
www.burnspethealth.com
Canusa International
519-624-5697
www.canusaint.com
CountryPet Pet Food
1-800-454-7387
www.countrypet.com
Dr. Harvey’s
1-866-362-4123
www.drharveys.com
Dry Fork Milling Co.
1-800-346-1360
Dynamite Marketing, Inc.
208-887-9410
www.dynamitemarketing.com
Evanger’s Dog and Cat Food Co., Inc.
1-800-288-6796
www.evangersdogfood.com
Evolution Diet, Inc.
1-800-659-0104
www.petfoodshop.com
Good Dog Foods, Inc.
732-842-4555
www.gooddogfoods.com
GreenTripe.Com
831-726-3255
www.greentripe.com
Halo, Purely for Pets
1-800-426-4256
www.halopets.com
Happy Dog Food
1-800-359-9576
www.happydogfood.com
Harbingers of a New Age
406-295-4944
www.vegepet.com
Holistic Blend
1-800-954-1117
www.holisticblend.com
The Honest Kitchen
858-483-5995
www.thehonestkitchen.com
Know Better Dog Food
1-866-922-6463
www.knowbetterdogfood.com
KosherPets, Inc.
954-938-6270
www.kosherpets.com
Kumpi Pet Foods
303-699-8562
www.kumpi.com
Natural Balance Pet Foods, Inc.
1-800-829-4493
www.naturalbalanceinc.com
Natural Life Pet Products, Inc.
1-800-367-2391
www.nlpp.com
Nature’s Variety
1-888-519-7387
www.naturesvariety.com
Newman’s Own Organics
www.newmansownorganics.com
Onesta Organics, Inc.
619-295-1136
www.onestaorganics.com
PetGuard
1-800-874-3221
904-264-8500
www.petguard.com
Pied Piper Pet & Wildlife
1-800-338-4610
www.piedpiperpet.com
PoshNosh Inc.
613-747-1542
1-866-893-4006 (Outside Ottawa-Outaouais)
Raw Advantage, Inc.
360-387-5158
www.rawadvantagepetfood.com
Sauder Feeds, Inc.
260-627-2196
www.sauderfeeds.com
Stella & Chewy’s LLC
718-522-9673
www.stellaandchewys.com
Timberwolf Organics, Inc.
407-877-8779
www.timberwolforganics.com
V-dogfood LLC
1-888-280-8364
www.V-dogfood.com
Veterinary Nutritional Formula
1-800-811-0530
www.vnfpetfood.com
Wow-Bow Distributors Ltd.
1-800-326-0230
www.wow-bow.com
Wysong Professional Diets
1-800-748-0188
www.wysong.net
 

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I'm with you on trying to be cruelty-free. On one hand, it seems like it is necessary for feed companies to perform tests, but on the other, do they really need an entire facility devoted to feeding trials? Especially if the "results" of the studies aren't even published...

All animals will be cared for as if they were pets in our home, including interaction and socialization.
I wonder if their own dogs live in "indoor runs"?
 
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I know mushers, hunting dog enthusiasts and show dog enthusiasts who have signed with dog food companies that were developing new feed... They did feeding trials for the company with dogs in their home. Why can't other companies do that?

If the companies I listed above can be cruelty-free, why can't all pet food companies?
 

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They did feeding trials for the company with dogs in their home. Why can't other companies do that?
But wouldn't that still be animal testing? I mean, if something was wrong with the food, an animal is still going to suffer.

I don't know - I'm all for animal welfare, but I don't really see how you could avoid testing a dog food without using a dog....
 

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But wouldn't that still be animal testing? I mean, if something was wrong with the food, an animal is still going to suffer.

I don't know - I'm all for animal welfare, but I don't really see how you could avoid testing a dog food without using a dog....
I have no issue with private owners signing up for feeding trials. Out of all the ones I know who have done it, nothing bad has ever happened with their dogs. It's more taste testing than anything, or for example: testing a joint support formula on an arthritic dog.

What I take issue with is the keeping of laboratory animals for testing. And Natura gets some of their animals from breeders, and we all know that no truly ethical breeder would send a puppy into such a program, so that means they are supporting mills and brokers.

And obviously you can have good dog food without laboratory animal testing. Just look at all the companies I listed.
 

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The keeping of laboratory animals (be it "nice" conditions or not) is in and of itself cruel. And the fact that they support puppymills to acquire these animals is supporting cruelty. I am also skeptical that all of the animals in the program actually get adopted, and wonder how many they go through annually?
 
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The keeping of laboratory animals (be it "nice" conditions or not) is in and of itself cruel.
I guess I see your point, and if it is the decision you make, than fine. Personally, I can think of a lot of "pet" dogs living worse lives than those described in the section above. And would you feel better if they were pulling dogs out of shelters? Then it would feel like, "nobody loves these dogs, so it is okay to "experiment" on them".
 

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Personally, I can think of a lot of "pet" dogs living worse lives than those described in the section above.
So can I, but it certainly does not excuse laboratory testing!

And would you feel better if they were pulling dogs out of shelters? Then it would feel like, "nobody loves these dogs, so it is okay to "experiment" on them".
I'd feel better if they didn't experiment at all!!! :mad:
 

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Are dogs supposed to live in homes with people, or are they supposed to live in large research facilities with 4 staff members?
In homes with people that love them, obviously, still I don't know if what Natura is doing fits the actual definition of cruelty.
 

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In homes with people that love them, obviously, still I don't know if what Natura is doing fits the actual definition of cruelty.
It sounds to me like a lot of the long term care facilities that are kept by no-kill shelters for animals that can't be adopted. It also sounds like the (pretty much acceptable) conditions a lot of working dogs are kept in, but more luxurious. If you're going to test on animals (and with dog food that seems sort of sensible to me) then this would be the way to do it . . .unless you are working with mushers or hunters, which would also work.

Yeah, um . . . I just don't have a problem with it, assuming what they say is true. I'd say this is cruelty-free . . . however, IF they are buying from puppy mills, my opinion changes. I'd be ok with it if they bred their own, or if they got dogs from shelters, but supporting milling with corporate money is a no-no. However, the conditions, if they actually are as described? Nah, doesn't bother me. They have shelter, water, food, attention, company, vet care . . . and all that is done to them is to feed them different types of food and proform non invasive tests? That is soooo much better than the lives many dogs lead.
 
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I'm with Lilavati, I really dont see a problem with what they are doing considering the good care the dogs are getting...And who knows where they buy?? Naybe they actually *have* been approved by good breeders because of how good their facilities are. Perhaps good breeders have approved them for pet quality dogs??? Its really not fair to jump to all thiese insane conclusions without actually knowing facts....Especially being that you are proclaiming them publicly without even knowing for sure yourself.

Bottom line, Innova Evo is a **** good food so I'll keep feeding it to my guys. They're happy and they do well on it because of the awesome ingredients it contains.

By the way, Nature's Variety and Timberwolf are two very good brands as well that are on your list. A very very very crappy one is Natural Life though. It was what Ronan was on before i got him and it did nothihng good for him except put something in his stomach.
 

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It sounds to me like a lot of the long term care facilities that are kept by no-kill shelters for animals that can't be adopted. It also sounds like the (pretty much acceptable) conditions a lot of working dogs are kept in, but more luxurious. If you're going to test on animals (and with dog food that seems sort of sensible to me) then this would be the way to do it . . .unless you are working with mushers or hunters, which would also work.

Yeah, um . . . I just don't have a problem with it, assuming what they say is true. I'd say this is cruelty-free . . . however, IF they are buying from puppy mills, my opinion changes. I'd be ok with it if they bred their own, or if they got dogs from shelters, but supporting milling with corporate money is a no-no. However, the conditions, if they actually are as described? Nah, doesn't bother me. They have shelter, water, food, attention, company, vet care . . . and all that is done to them is to feed them different types of food and proform non invasive tests? That is soooo much better than the lives many dogs lead.
I agree. :) I just think cruelty is the wrong word for this situation...
 

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Maybe it doesn't fit the strict definition of cruelty, but it isn't in the best interest of the dogs at all. Ask yourself this--if you had to rehome your dog, where would Natura's facility sit on your list of homes?

It's interesting that the Innova/EVO feeders support the facility. The product may be good, but that doesn't mean that dogs should live in indoor runs for their entire lives (just because the food is good doesn't mean the animals are treated humanely). Then again, I guess some people are OK with dogs living in runs... :)

What kind of breeder (or rescue) would say that its OK for a dog to live in a testing facility? It took me nearly a year to get a Border Collie rescue because I don't have a fenced yard, what makes Natura's facility more qualified than my home?

1) I don't like that there are only 4 people that work there. What is the human to dog ratio? (In my house, its 2 humans for 2 dogs)

2) Where do they get the dogs? Specifically.

3) It is deceiving to say that the dogs are kept in luxurious conditions. Having a living room for one dog at a time is luxury? That is the bare minimum.

4) Do the dogs get to establish any sort of familial or pack relationships? Do they live separately (to prevent aggression/fights) all the time?

5) Showpug, would you ever let any of Alice's puglets end up there? Why not?

6) If you wouldn't allow your own dogs to go there, why is it OK for other dogs to go there? Just because they aren't yours doesn't mean that they don't need love, companionship, and leadership.

I would much rather see this as a rescue-only operation. If the facility existed to save dogs from over crowded shelters and they lived this life, then that would be great. However, Natura is intentionally acquiring, and at times purchasing dogs for their feeding trials.

Then again, I guess they're working dogs, right?:rolleyes:
 

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Maybe it doesn't fit the strict definition of cruelty, but it isn't in the best interest of the dogs at all. Ask yourself this--if you had to rehome your dog, where would Natura's facility sit on your list of homes?
No, probably not. But Sarama is used to living in a house and having lots of attention. She's also darling and well behaved, which would make her fairly desirable. If I had to chose between their facility and a kill-shelter? Yes, I'd take their facility any day.

It's interesting that the Innova/EVO feeders support the facility. The product may be good, but that doesn't mean that dogs should live in indoor runs for their entire lives (just because the food is good doesn't mean the animals are treated humanely). Then again, I guess some people are OK with dogs living in runs... :)
I grew up around working hounds. They live in kennels. They are healthy, happy dogs and beloved by my father. They are not pets, to be sure, but they want for nothing. Dogs living in runs, well cared for, paid attention to, does not bother me in the slightest. But that may be perspective. I don't think 'dog' and immediately think 'pet' because I was raised with dogs that were not housepets.

What kind of breeder (or rescue) would say that its OK for a dog to live in a testing facility? It took me nearly a year to get a Border Collie rescue because I don't have a fenced yard, what makes Natura's facility more qualified than my home?
Well, I don't think it would be anyone's first choice, which is why I wanted to know if they were dealing with mills. They may have their own breeders, which wouldn't bother me too much. Its not so much that I think their facility is bad, as I would strongly disapprove of any ordinary breeder who doesn't want the best life possible for their dogs, and I will conceed that a testing facility is not that. As for rescues, where I got Sarama takes dogs from kill shelters and finds them homes and fosters . . . sometimes they can't take dogs cause they are just plain full. Would they be willing to deposit some of the dogs they've had for years and been unable to place at such a facility? I don't know, but I wouldn't blame them if they did, since it would free space to save other dogs. Also, Border Collies are so active I can understand why a rescue would be concerned.


1) I don't like that there are only 4 people that work there. What is the human to dog ratio? (In my house, its 2 humans for 2 dogs)
So? Assuming there is enough staff to check on each dog each day, the dogs have each other for company. I don't have a problem unless they are so understaffed they can't provide good care in terms of health, food, water, hygine, etc.
2) Where do they get the dogs? Specifically.
My concern.
3) It is deceiving to say that the dogs are kept in luxurious conditions. Having a living room for one dog at a time is luxury? That is the bare minimum.
By luxery, I mean compared to many, many other kennel dogs. Heck, with their extensive inside area and such, their kennels are better than most hound kennels I've ever seen. And most of those kennels were fine (plenty of room to get in from the cold and rain) , just not as nice as these sound.

4) Do the dogs get to establish any sort of familial or pack relationships? Do they live separately (to prevent aggression/fights) all the time?
Another important question. IF they are isolated, then that changes things alot.

5) Showpug, would you ever let any of Alice's puglets end up there? Why not?

6) If you wouldn't allow your own dogs to go there, why is it OK for other dogs to go there? Just because they aren't yours doesn't mean that they don't need love, companionship, and leadership.
As I said, I'd take it over a kill shelter anyday. Dogs can provide love, companionship and leadership to each other. They are domesticted, and thus acclimated to human company and more than willing to accept us as social objects. But that doesnt' mean they can't provide love and care to each other.

I would much rather see this as a rescue-only operation. If the facility existed to save dogs from over crowded shelters and they lived this life, then that would be great. However, Natura is intentionally acquiring, and at times purchasing dogs for their feeding trials.

Then again, I guess they're working dogs, right?:rolleyes:
I would prefer rescue only myself, but if they are not obtaining their dogs from out and out puppy mills, I won't boycott them over it. And yes, I actually like the description of them as working dogs. In a sense that's exactly what they are, and their job is pretty easy too.
 

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Coming from a science/ag major originally I've had to take classes on this kind of stuff and cow raising etc. Anyways, while animal testing really isn't the ideal situation for anything as it does invariably harm individual animals, it is the best we have for now.

As soon as humans understand the way everything works, then there'll be no need to test on animals.

I agree, it'd be best if it was rescue only, though.
 

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