Nancy Grace has gone too far

[Bobsk8]

I agree with you muggsies. I think if a dog bites a person it should be pts unless it was provoked. And if it was provoked, then I think they should still do a temperment test on the dog just in case.

A temperment test after it ripped a person's throat open... :yikes: You aren't serious are you...

 

[Georgygirl]

I was speaking in terms of general bite cases. In that particular case that dog should be pts. It was stated that it wasn't provoked and going straight for a person's throat is pretty extreme. I think there's definitely something wrong with that dog and it's obviously unsafe.

But there are times when some bites are provoked. If someone's kicking or hitting a dog I wouldn't fault it for biting back to defend itself. But I think that dog should also be tested just to be sure that it is not a threat to people.

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

I didnt notice that either but for a chance we are in agreement Bob-If a dog (we can use the Malinois as an example) attacks someone, goes for the person's throat, tears their hand up, NO that dog is not safe. It says something for the stability of the dog...

I would never, ever, ever want a dog who had attacked someone to be resold. People have their opinions. I heard the dog was having a bad day. So what? I am sure my dogs have "bad days" too but none of them have lunged at my throat, had they of, they would be dead, no questions asked. No temparment test needed.

You have to ask yourself, what if this unstable dog gets out?? What if it kills someone? Obviously our PD doesnt care. If they were set on not euthanizing the dog, they should have returned him to his previous handler because at least that person knew the dog & knows it's history. Unacceptable..

As for provoking the dog, firstly I have already mentioned this dog wasnt provoked. However, for some crazy reason, the PD is set on letting the dog live..

A dog who is provoked (unless extremly) for example, poked or hair pulled, exc. should not go for the throat and if it kills or seriously maims someone over being poked, the dog should still be euthanized.

I guess I am so negative because I know many dogs at my local shelter who a kid could roll on top of, push, pull it's hair, poke it, and the dog would just lay there. However, these dogs are most likely going to be euthanized...

 

[chinchow]

Bobsk8, say a child was hitting Smokey, and Smokey bit after about ten minutes of getting fed up with it.

This isn't something you can control, so don't say "well I'd never leave her with a child"...It's hypothetical, and it's happened.

You would want Smokey put to sleep immediately?

Or if a breeder's dog bit, they wouldn't want to know if it was something in their brain? That could possibly be in the other dogs as well?

Come on, open your eyes, stop being SO close-minded on this subject. That's one reason the world is having such a problem with dogs now anyway...people are being too close-minded.

 

[Bobsk8]

Bobsk8, say a child was hitting Smokey, and Smokey bit after about ten minutes of getting fed up with it.

This isn't something you can control, so don't say "well I'd never leave her with a child"...It's hypothetical, and it's happened.

You would want Smokey put to sleep immediately?

Or if a breeder's dog bit, they wouldn't want to know if it was something in their brain? That could possibly be in the other dogs as well?

Come on, open your eyes, stop being SO close-minded on this subject. That's one reason the world is having such a problem with dogs now anyway...people are being too close-minded.

That was not the situation with a K9 dog handler I am sure, and that dog should have been disposed of immediately. If Smokey ripped some kids throat open, I wouldn't want her around anymore because I would view her as a potential danger. Kids tease animals all the time, and that is no excuse for the animal to almost kill the kid....

 

[DanL]

They should move that Mali to military service with a handler that knows what they are doing.

 

[chinchow]

So I guess, if I slap the crap out of someone who is pulling on my ear, I need to be put to sleep for getting annoyed.

You must feel that animals don't get annoyed, Bobsk8. Again, very close-minded.

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

The Mali attacked it's HANDLER!!

True, this was this girl's first K9 dog. But she is very smart dog wise.

I dont see a dog who went off for no reason being suitable anywhere even in the military. I am sure it very well could attack it's military handler as well. I dont know what they are going to do with the dog, all I was told is it is being sold. I dont think there should be exceptions just because the dog is a police dog. What if that had happened to some innocent bystandard??

 

[Georgygirl]

I guess I still don't fully understand where you stand on dog bites Bobsk8. I explained my view a little more and I hope it cleared up any misunderstandings. Do you think that every dog that bites a person should be pts?

 

[MomOf7]

That was not the situation with a K9 dog handler I am sure, and that dog should have been disposed of immediately. If Smokey ripped some kids throat open, I wouldn't want her around anymore because I would view her as a potential danger. Kids tease animals all the time, and that is no excuse for the animal to almost kill the kid....

I agree! I have 7 kids. I cannot keep a unstable dog around. PERIOD. I could loose my kids and possibly my dogs. To me its not worth it. IF it was a nieghbors kid make that double!
Any breed of dog has the potential to be dangerous.
Do I believe my dogs would tear out the throat of a kid. NO! Is it possible? YES!

 

[travelpet]

I was speaking in terms of general bite cases. In that particular case that dog should be pts. It was stated that it wasn't provoked and going straight for a person's throat is pretty extreme. I think there's definitely something wrong with that dog and it's obviously unsafe.

But there are times when some bites are provoked. If someone's kicking or hitting a dog I wouldn't fault it for biting back to defend itself. But I think that dog should also be tested just to be sure that it is not a threat to people.

True, something that was said or done was interpeted by the dog as an attack command..at least that is what is sounds like. Anything else would indicate the dog was unstable and should never have been part of the force. I assume regulations are different in different police forces, but here, when a dog is ready to be separated from the force, one of two things happens, either the last handler is allowed to adopt the dog (if there are no young children in the house) or the dog is put down, that's under normal circumstances. The only "attack" incident that I can recall locally, the dog was just finished with training with a new handler and attacked a young child, causing severe injuries (not death, Thank God) and the dog was immediately put down. This was a GSD, which is the only breed the local police use now (used to also have dobbies and labs, but discontinued using those breeds).

Again, the US military destroys all dogs used by the military once their service is complete. Their handlers are not given the opportunity to adopt them. One took the military to court to try and stop them from putting his dog down. He won in a sense. He was not allowed to take the dog, but it was placed in a no-kill shelter where it lived out its natural life. There may be other such instances, but this is the only one of which I'm personally aware.
Saw the dog once after it arrived at the shelter and it was kept away from the other animals and only the shelter personnel were allowed to have contact with it. One of the guys who was a handler for the shelter told me the dog seemed to have a very even temperment and gave them no problems, but then, no one could be sure what it would do under stress.

 

[mamasobuco]

Wow. More untruths with no proof to back it up.

Actually, if you research all the "pit bull" attacks (like I do) you would notice a common denominator--that 95% of the dogs are 80-130lbs. Now honestly, I don't remember seeing one picture of a fighting APBT that was that large. And to make another point, in the latest of the cases, it is the oversized blue "pit bulls" out there doing the damage.

Of course you hear about the fighting dogs whenever an illegal ring is busted, but that's not the issue here. Those dogs weren't/aren't confiscated for attacking & maiming people, just other dogs. We are talking about the "pit bulls" that are actually hurting humans.

Proof? Did you read ALL my posts?! IN MY AREA MOST OF THE URBAN PITS COME FROM FIGHTING LINES. Just because a pit is big does not mean that it doesn't have fighting in it's bloodline. I don't appreciate your comment about more untruths.

Are you that nieve to think that dogs who are bred to be agressive towards other dogs would naturally not be agressive towards humans? Gah!

The sooner those who choose to purchase back yard pits accept the fact that they are adding to the problem, the sooner the problem will be resolved if it is even possible!

I don't know, a couple of these dogs look pretty big to me Clicky

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

Again, the US military destroys all dogs used by the military once their service is complete. Their handlers are not given the opportunity to adopt them.

Off topic but that's nuts.

Maybe it's just me or the angle of the photo but the dog in the 7th picture doesnt look like a pit to me??

 

[chinchow]

In the past, the soldiers sometimes gave the war/military dogs to locals, but because of where they went, the couldn't be brought back. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with these dogs being destroyed today, but unless the dogs have something wrong with them, I don't see why they'd need to be put to sleep after they've served their purpose. I would think they deserve a hell of a lot more praise, and a good life, for their duties.

 

[DanL]

The Mali attacked it's HANDLER!!

True, this was this girl's first K9 dog. But she is very smart dog wise.

I dont see a dog who went off for no reason being suitable anywhere even in the military. I am sure it very well could attack it's military handler as well. I dont know what they are going to do with the dog, all I was told is it is being sold. I dont think there should be exceptions just because the dog is a police dog. What if that had happened to some innocent bystandard??

In the military, the dog is kenneled once it is off duty. It's not sitting in the living room with it's handler. They are not family dogs. That's why I said put it in the military. It's handler aggression could be trained out of it there.

 

[DanL]

By the way- if the girl was alone with the dog and it attacked her, who called it off? That was mentioned in the original post.

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

She wasnt giving the dog a command. She was working with him but did not give an active command from what I understand.. No command was given the dog just flipped out.

I assume someone saw what happened and ran over to her and pulled the dog off.

This dog was not a family dog either, he was kept outside (per instructions from the PD) in a kennel. She was told not to make him a pet that he was a working dog not a pet.

 

[chinchow]

By the way, if the girl was alone, how do they know she didn't provoke the dog?

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

Because this girl is smart and wouldnt provoke the dog. That's kind of a silly question. She loves dogs, took very good care of this dog and I know she wouldnt have provoked him. She had been working with this dog for 3+ months. I believe there is training they are supposed to go through before they even see a dog.

This dog is obviously unstable. I didnt ask for exact details, I was more worried about the girl and her surviving.

 

[chinchow]

Sometimes, however, we don't realize when we provoke a dog.
Which is why many many stories involving CHILDREN are headlines "Dog attacks without reason" because we want to believe we have done nothing wrong, or don't realize we did.

I'm not ruling out that there is something wrong in the dog's head, but just stating, we don't know what a dog is thinking, and we don't know what each individual dog takes as a threat or insignifigant action.