Nailing Cesar Millan With Tough, Truthful, Appropriate Questions - It's About Time
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I completely understand what you guys are doing, I do... Not saying you or anyone has to "do" anything.
Me? It just doesn't feel right to joke and make light. I know that's not really what you're doing, its just... Eh... I can't explain it.
I look at some of the kids I work with and I can't help but wonder... I wonder how many signs there were before someone thought maybe things weren't quite right at home? I wonder how many people looked at a parent being "odd" or off somehow, and then quickly looked away thinking "not my problem" - you know?
Rubygirl has dependents. There are kids involved, there are animals involved, there is a husband. If this is how she treats strangers, how does she treat her kids? Who is looking out for them? Who cares about what is happening to them?
Maybe rubygirl needs a wake up call and maybe this thread provided it. Maybe rubygirl needs a model of what real relationships look like and these pictures and posts provide that. Maybe rubygirl will never change and all this thread is doing is building more anger and venom for her to take out on someone weaker. I don't know...
I'm just getting my thoughts out, coping my way. I ponder, I care, I worry. That's what I do.
Me? It just doesn't feel right to joke and make light. I know that's not really what you're doing, its just... Eh... I can't explain it.
I look at some of the kids I work with and I can't help but wonder... I wonder how many signs there were before someone thought maybe things weren't quite right at home? I wonder how many people looked at a parent being "odd" or off somehow, and then quickly looked away thinking "not my problem" - you know?
Rubygirl has dependents. There are kids involved, there are animals involved, there is a husband. If this is how she treats strangers, how does she treat her kids? Who is looking out for them? Who cares about what is happening to them?
Maybe rubygirl needs a wake up call and maybe this thread provided it. Maybe rubygirl needs a model of what real relationships look like and these pictures and posts provide that. Maybe rubygirl will never change and all this thread is doing is building more anger and venom for her to take out on someone weaker. I don't know...
I'm just getting my thoughts out, coping my way. I ponder, I care, I worry. That's what I do.
LOL. He was fantasizing about eating that popcorn. He did that pressing his nose up on the edge of the counter once while watching me cook on the stove. And I cracked up laughing and gave him a hand out, which reinforced this. So, every time he wanted some food, that was his signal. And of course, I being the less "dominant" "submissive" one, my dogs staged a palace coupe regularly and I succumbed every time.
Eddie! Too funny! That picture made me think of a song called Them there eyes.
Eddie! Too funny! That picture made me think of a song called Them there eyes.
So. To start. I just want to make something clear.
I started out in Chaz to join a reasonable group of people that allow people to have personal opinions. I realized fairly quickly that there are not very many reasonable people on here.
I have an opinion on how to train my dog. I'm not asking you (nor have I ever asked you) to do it the way that I do it.
You consider my way of training "abusive" and "mean" and "cruel" even though I have not specifically stated how I train my dog. There have been many assumptions on how I train her: like "hitting", "choking", "slapping" etc. I have never once said that I do any of these things. Not ever.
Just like I provoke you with my "click, treat and repeat" you have been provoking me by saying I'm abusive, when I haven't even TOLD YOU how I trained my dog. So I don't use treats. So what?? That's the only method of training a dog??
As for the comparison between how I treat a bunch of asshole strangers that I don't know and how I treat my kids/husband/pets wtf kind of comparison is that? I engaged in an argument that, admittedly I began, and this is where it went to. My kids/husband/pets are the priority in my life. They are treated like absolute gold. To say "she shouldn't have kids" f*ck you right up your a*s. You don't know me as a person, you know someone who is arguing for sh*ts and giggles.
What a bunch of self righteous dolts. As if you can hide behind your computer and act like wolves in sheeps clothing.... very simple thing to do. You engaged this argument just as readily as I did! How are you any better?
The one thing that I suppose pissed me off the most was someone saying "Cesar millan should be put down". Like he is an actual animal abuser! That is absurd!!! He may not do everything perfectly but please whomever on here that IS perfect, please step up right now.
I am an above excellent mother. I am an above excellent wife. Am I socially handi-capped- yup. That's why I'm on forums as opposed to in person.
Do I have trouble sleeping at night because I had a recreational argument on a closed minded, bulls*it forum? No.
The only thing you may be taking offence to is my comment towards the person with the Dane. It's the truth. She let a known HA dog out in public that could have potentially killed someone and that ALMOST DID. The reason she put it down was because its injury was too serious not because she thought it was too aggressive! Hopefully this made her (and other people think). It also proves my point that positive reinforcement training doesn't help all dogs <<< so because I said this, I am a horrible person, I ought to not have kids and not have a dog... imbeciles.
I'm glad to wash my hands of this pathetic excuse for a forum. I may be a b*tch to forum members on this and a couple other forums(I admit it fully) but it is not who I am in person. I just despise when people jump to so many asinine assumptions.
I have found a wonderful forum that actually comprehends that there ARE other opinions out there (crazy idea huh?) and I am enjoying it very much.
To those that are new or haven't made complete tits out of themselves... I am not directing this towards you.
Oh and if I could send a picture of the prescription that I currently have in my desk for medicinal marijuana then I certainly would but my iPad is wont allow it...? I don't care who judges that that aspect of my life but you are not in my shoes. I don't sit there and do it with my kids around FFS. Let the haters hate.
I started out in Chaz to join a reasonable group of people that allow people to have personal opinions. I realized fairly quickly that there are not very many reasonable people on here.
I have an opinion on how to train my dog. I'm not asking you (nor have I ever asked you) to do it the way that I do it.
You consider my way of training "abusive" and "mean" and "cruel" even though I have not specifically stated how I train my dog. There have been many assumptions on how I train her: like "hitting", "choking", "slapping" etc. I have never once said that I do any of these things. Not ever.
Just like I provoke you with my "click, treat and repeat" you have been provoking me by saying I'm abusive, when I haven't even TOLD YOU how I trained my dog. So I don't use treats. So what?? That's the only method of training a dog??
As for the comparison between how I treat a bunch of asshole strangers that I don't know and how I treat my kids/husband/pets wtf kind of comparison is that? I engaged in an argument that, admittedly I began, and this is where it went to. My kids/husband/pets are the priority in my life. They are treated like absolute gold. To say "she shouldn't have kids" f*ck you right up your a*s. You don't know me as a person, you know someone who is arguing for sh*ts and giggles.
What a bunch of self righteous dolts. As if you can hide behind your computer and act like wolves in sheeps clothing.... very simple thing to do. You engaged this argument just as readily as I did! How are you any better?
The one thing that I suppose pissed me off the most was someone saying "Cesar millan should be put down". Like he is an actual animal abuser! That is absurd!!! He may not do everything perfectly but please whomever on here that IS perfect, please step up right now.
I am an above excellent mother. I am an above excellent wife. Am I socially handi-capped- yup. That's why I'm on forums as opposed to in person.
Do I have trouble sleeping at night because I had a recreational argument on a closed minded, bulls*it forum? No.
The only thing you may be taking offence to is my comment towards the person with the Dane. It's the truth. She let a known HA dog out in public that could have potentially killed someone and that ALMOST DID. The reason she put it down was because its injury was too serious not because she thought it was too aggressive! Hopefully this made her (and other people think). It also proves my point that positive reinforcement training doesn't help all dogs <<< so because I said this, I am a horrible person, I ought to not have kids and not have a dog... imbeciles.
I'm glad to wash my hands of this pathetic excuse for a forum. I may be a b*tch to forum members on this and a couple other forums(I admit it fully) but it is not who I am in person. I just despise when people jump to so many asinine assumptions.
I have found a wonderful forum that actually comprehends that there ARE other opinions out there (crazy idea huh?) and I am enjoying it very much.
To those that are new or haven't made complete tits out of themselves... I am not directing this towards you.
Oh and if I could send a picture of the prescription that I currently have in my desk for medicinal marijuana then I certainly would but my iPad is wont allow it...? I don't care who judges that that aspect of my life but you are not in my shoes. I don't sit there and do it with my kids around FFS. Let the haters hate.
And I despise willfully ignorant people. You said you knee'd your dog in the chest and that hitting isn't abuse... Correct assumptions can be made from that and even now you aren't denying that you hit or beat your dog, just that you didn't "say" you did. You forget though, RubyGirl, that most of us are on those other forums you pissed off, too, and we saw what you said there.
Also, to say that positive reinforcement doesn't work because there are dogs on this board with HA... Lord, are you really that ignorant? TRUE HA AND DA IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN TRAIN OUT. Period. No matter what your training method. So blaming it on the training method is asinine and stupid.
And no, you're not telling us how to train our dogs. But as dog lovers, when someone comes on and is training a dog in a way that can cause fear in a dog and has been scientifically proven to be INEFFECTIVE AT BEST, it is our job to say something.
Also, to say that positive reinforcement doesn't work because there are dogs on this board with HA... Lord, are you really that ignorant? TRUE HA AND DA IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN TRAIN OUT. Period. No matter what your training method. So blaming it on the training method is asinine and stupid.
And no, you're not telling us how to train our dogs. But as dog lovers, when someone comes on and is training a dog in a way that can cause fear in a dog and has been scientifically proven to be INEFFECTIVE AT BEST, it is our job to say something.
So. To start. I just want to make something clear.
I started out in Chaz to join a reasonable group of people that allow people to have personal opinions. I realized fairly quickly that there are not very many reasonable people on here.
I have an opinion on how to train my dog. I'm not asking you (nor have I ever asked you) to do it the way that I do it.
You consider my way of training "abusive" and "mean" and "cruel" even though I have not specifically stated how I train my dog. There have been many assumptions on how I train her: like "hitting", "choking", "slapping" etc. I have never once said that I do any of these things. Not ever.
Just like I provoke you with my "click, treat and repeat" you have been provoking me by saying I'm abusive, when I haven't even TOLD YOU how I trained my dog. So I don't use treats. So what?? That's the only method of training a dog??
As for the comparison between how I treat a bunch of asshole strangers that I don't know and how I treat my kids/husband/pets wtf kind of comparison is that? I engaged in an argument that, admittedly I began, and this is where it went to. My kids/husband/pets are the priority in my life. They are treated like absolute gold. To say "she shouldn't have kids" f*ck you right up your a*s. You don't know me as a person, you know someone who is arguing for sh*ts and giggles.
What a bunch of self righteous dolts. As if you can hide behind your computer and act like wolves in sheeps clothing.... very simple thing to do. You engaged this argument just as readily as I did! How are you any better?
The one thing that I suppose pissed me off the most was someone saying "Cesar millan should be put down". Like he is an actual animal abuser! That is absurd!!! He may not do everything perfectly but please whomever on here that IS perfect, please step up right now.
I am an above excellent mother. I am an above excellent wife. Am I socially handi-capped- yup. That's why I'm on forums as opposed to in person.
Do I have trouble sleeping at night because I had a recreational argument on a closed minded, bulls*it forum? No.
The only thing you may be taking offence to is my comment towards the person with the Dane. It's the truth. She let a known HA dog out in public that could have potentially killed someone and that ALMOST DID. The reason she put it down was because its injury was too serious not because she thought it was too aggressive! Hopefully this made her (and other people think). It also proves my point that positive reinforcement training doesn't help all dogs <<< so because I said this, I am a horrible person, I ought to not have kids and not have a dog... imbeciles.
I'm glad to wash my hands of this pathetic excuse for a forum. I may be a b*tch to forum members on this and a couple other forums(I admit it fully) but it is not who I am in person. I just despise when people jump to so many asinine assumptions.
I have found a wonderful forum that actually comprehends that there ARE other opinions out there (crazy idea huh?) and I am enjoying it very much.
To those that are new or haven't made complete tits out of themselves... I am not directing this towards you.
Oh and if I could send a picture of the prescription that I currently have in my desk for medicinal marijuana then I certainly would but my iPad is wont allow it...? I don't care who judges that that aspect of my life but you are not in my shoes. I don't sit there and do it with my kids around FFS. Let the haters hate.
I started out in Chaz to join a reasonable group of people that allow people to have personal opinions. I realized fairly quickly that there are not very many reasonable people on here.
I have an opinion on how to train my dog. I'm not asking you (nor have I ever asked you) to do it the way that I do it.
You consider my way of training "abusive" and "mean" and "cruel" even though I have not specifically stated how I train my dog. There have been many assumptions on how I train her: like "hitting", "choking", "slapping" etc. I have never once said that I do any of these things. Not ever.
Just like I provoke you with my "click, treat and repeat" you have been provoking me by saying I'm abusive, when I haven't even TOLD YOU how I trained my dog. So I don't use treats. So what?? That's the only method of training a dog??
As for the comparison between how I treat a bunch of asshole strangers that I don't know and how I treat my kids/husband/pets wtf kind of comparison is that? I engaged in an argument that, admittedly I began, and this is where it went to. My kids/husband/pets are the priority in my life. They are treated like absolute gold. To say "she shouldn't have kids" f*ck you right up your a*s. You don't know me as a person, you know someone who is arguing for sh*ts and giggles.
What a bunch of self righteous dolts. As if you can hide behind your computer and act like wolves in sheeps clothing.... very simple thing to do. You engaged this argument just as readily as I did! How are you any better?
The one thing that I suppose pissed me off the most was someone saying "Cesar millan should be put down". Like he is an actual animal abuser! That is absurd!!! He may not do everything perfectly but please whomever on here that IS perfect, please step up right now.
I am an above excellent mother. I am an above excellent wife. Am I socially handi-capped- yup. That's why I'm on forums as opposed to in person.
Do I have trouble sleeping at night because I had a recreational argument on a closed minded, bulls*it forum? No.
The only thing you may be taking offence to is my comment towards the person with the Dane. It's the truth. She let a known HA dog out in public that could have potentially killed someone and that ALMOST DID. The reason she put it down was because its injury was too serious not because she thought it was too aggressive! Hopefully this made her (and other people think). It also proves my point that positive reinforcement training doesn't help all dogs <<< so because I said this, I am a horrible person, I ought to not have kids and not have a dog... imbeciles.
I'm glad to wash my hands of this pathetic excuse for a forum. I may be a b*tch to forum members on this and a couple other forums(I admit it fully) but it is not who I am in person. I just despise when people jump to so many asinine assumptions.
I have found a wonderful forum that actually comprehends that there ARE other opinions out there (crazy idea huh?) and I am enjoying it very much.
To those that are new or haven't made complete tits out of themselves... I am not directing this towards you.
Oh and if I could send a picture of the prescription that I currently have in my desk for medicinal marijuana then I certainly would but my iPad is wont allow it...? I don't care who judges that that aspect of my life but you are not in my shoes. I don't sit there and do it with my kids around FFS. Let the haters hate.
I just wanted to add my poor fat little dog to this thread.... It's all those **** hotdogs I've been throwing at him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90v6LYt092c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Btw.... This trick came in SO handy the other day. I was laying in bed reading and wanted to close my bedroom door, but my fat ass didn't want to get up. So.... I told Bamm to go close the door. He got up, walked across the room and closed my bedroom door for me. Now if I could just get him to do the laundry and cook for me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90v6LYt092c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Btw.... This trick came in SO handy the other day. I was laying in bed reading and wanted to close my bedroom door, but my fat ass didn't want to get up. So.... I told Bamm to go close the door. He got up, walked across the room and closed my bedroom door for me. Now if I could just get him to do the laundry and cook for me...
Rubygirl, you joined this forum to troll and everyone here is fully aware of it. You previously belonged to this forum under a different username - mutts - and behaved exactly as you have here, freely admitted that you were just here to troll, and you got banned for it. You then intentionally signed up again under a different name. You just admitted you started the fight and you're only here arguing for shiggles. C'mon. By your own admission you're a socially inept bitch. You can't try and turn it around on "the forum" and claim it's because everybody here is a big meaniehead that you behave like this... especially since you went through this before under a different username.
As far as Sara and Classic go, you don't know her or Classic. You don't know the full story of Classic or even the full events of that day. If you go back and read the thread, she never even elaborated on what "might" have happened had Classic reached her father. You're stretching your own interpretation of events only because you want to use it to be cruel to someone - remember, you just outted yourself as acting like a bitch for shiggles.
As to why people are taking how you treat strangers that you do not know as telling of how you treat any other individual, including your husband and kids, it's because how we treat people we do not know is incredibly revealing. And yes, how we behave online when there are no consequences to our actions is also incredibly revealing. You don't know anyone on this forum "as a person" either, nor have you walked in our shoes, and yet you are judging and throwing plenty of nasty insults our way. Particularly Sara. You don't know her personally, you don't know a lick of her experiences with Classic, and there you sit judging. The word for this is "hypocrisy."
I have no idea why you account is still active beyond the fact that several mods in this forum like to "play" with trolls. You've violated the rule about being respectful to others, you're an obvious troll by your own admission, you evaded your first ban (which was given because you admitted to being a troll) by creating a second account... I cannot fathom why your account is still active, but the fact that you are still here allowed to repeatedly spew your venom leads me to agree with you on one thing: I am incredibly disappointed and pretty disgusted with this forum.
As far as Sara and Classic go, you don't know her or Classic. You don't know the full story of Classic or even the full events of that day. If you go back and read the thread, she never even elaborated on what "might" have happened had Classic reached her father. You're stretching your own interpretation of events only because you want to use it to be cruel to someone - remember, you just outted yourself as acting like a bitch for shiggles.
As to why people are taking how you treat strangers that you do not know as telling of how you treat any other individual, including your husband and kids, it's because how we treat people we do not know is incredibly revealing. And yes, how we behave online when there are no consequences to our actions is also incredibly revealing. You don't know anyone on this forum "as a person" either, nor have you walked in our shoes, and yet you are judging and throwing plenty of nasty insults our way. Particularly Sara. You don't know her personally, you don't know a lick of her experiences with Classic, and there you sit judging. The word for this is "hypocrisy."
I have no idea why you account is still active beyond the fact that several mods in this forum like to "play" with trolls. You've violated the rule about being respectful to others, you're an obvious troll by your own admission, you evaded your first ban (which was given because you admitted to being a troll) by creating a second account... I cannot fathom why your account is still active, but the fact that you are still here allowed to repeatedly spew your venom leads me to agree with you on one thing: I am incredibly disappointed and pretty disgusted with this forum.
:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:
FWIW, as far as I was concerned, it wasn’t just that you brought Classic in to this - a dog who NEVER hurt anyone.
What sealed it for me was when you replied to me thinking I was “the one with the daneâ€. You saw someone you though was hurt, and instead of an apology or any form of remorse, you were ENJOYING it. And then you dug the knife in deeper. That’s some messed up sadism there. And just as Beanie said, incredibly revealing about what kind of person you are.
FWIW, as far as I was concerned, it wasn’t just that you brought Classic in to this - a dog who NEVER hurt anyone.
What sealed it for me was when you replied to me thinking I was “the one with the daneâ€. You saw someone you though was hurt, and instead of an apology or any form of remorse, you were ENJOYING it. And then you dug the knife in deeper. That’s some messed up sadism there. And just as Beanie said, incredibly revealing about what kind of person you are.
Yup. You can try to twist it into being a victim all you want, but you are a sadist and that's pretty much all there is to it.
And just to make things clear... have all the opinions you want. You are entitled to your opinions. And the rest of us are entitled to our opinions of your opinions. A bunch of people disagreeing with you is just a bunch of people disagreeing with you, not a conspiracy to somehow rob you of your right to an opinion. Whether they are your real opinions (ha ha) or just your attempt at poo stirring.
And just to make things clear... have all the opinions you want. You are entitled to your opinions. And the rest of us are entitled to our opinions of your opinions. A bunch of people disagreeing with you is just a bunch of people disagreeing with you, not a conspiracy to somehow rob you of your right to an opinion. Whether they are your real opinions (ha ha) or just your attempt at poo stirring.
You can spout off that you are a good person and a good mother and whatever you want but your actions don't show it. The whole 'Im just stating the truth' BS is just that- BS. You know ****ing well what you were doing and so do we. We're not stupid.
Would you call a bunch of people 'a bunch of asshole strangers' in front of your kids? Would you kick someone while they're down repeatedly in front of them?
Would you call a bunch of people 'a bunch of asshole strangers' in front of your kids? Would you kick someone while they're down repeatedly in front of them?
I just watched that video again. What is it with CM? Why does he obsess over people being "calm?" As if that's all you need to train a dog? That was what he leaned on in this interview. He never mentions one word that has anything to do with the way dogs really are. Does he think that dogs' evolution revolved around only people who were "calm?" Sure, some dogs need calmness more than others, especially if they've been abused or under socialized. Yes, calmness helps in many situations. But I am not what you'd call very calm. I'm nervous as a cat.
I calm down when I'm teaching them something or when we're just chilling. But I'm not calm all the time AT ALL. I've never had a dog that couldn't adapt to me just fine and be perfectly well adjusted and capable of learning. Where is the science in what he says about anything? He never answered that interviewer or acknowledged anything he said about other trainers....experts who train without punishment. Never even attempted to explain away that. I hope some more people....experts make themselves and what they do with dogs more visible to the public. Victoria Stillwell is a decent start. But it would nice to have more real behaviorists and trainers on TV...not the CM's, Brad Pattesons, and other "McGuiver" type trainers, flying by the seat of their pants.
Just popping in to say that Rubygirl, if you think dogs with serious aggression issues, particularly those related to fear/defensive aggression, that "aren't helped" by positive methods is going to be "cured" by leash jerks, hitting, kicking, "assertive touch", alpha rolling, and other physical punishment... your knowledge of dog behavior and behavior modification in general is laughable. The fact that couldn't figure out how to get your own dog not to jump up without kneeing her in the chest tells me all I need know about your "knowledge" and "skill set" - using those terms loosely, of course.
Lay the **** off the Classic thing. Sara's capabilities in both management and training are so above and beyond you that you should probably just shut your mouth and learn something.
Also, FWIW, I suggest you stick with bully breeds and Lab mixes. Stick to breeds that will endure your BS handling skills and poor attitude with a smile.*
*if you must own a dog at all. Pet rocks might be more your speed.
Lay the **** off the Classic thing. Sara's capabilities in both management and training are so above and beyond you that you should probably just shut your mouth and learn something.
Also, FWIW, I suggest you stick with bully breeds and Lab mixes. Stick to breeds that will endure your BS handling skills and poor attitude with a smile.*
*if you must own a dog at all. Pet rocks might be more your speed.