Nailing Cesar Millan With Tough, Truthful, Appropriate Questions - It's About Time

[Danefied]

But, knowing what we know today - as science and learning theory and the experience of countless people can confirm - that you could teach him all those same skills without ever having to poke/smack/spank/touch/stomp at/do whatever to him...would you still do it? If you knew (and I admit I don't understand how people can still argue this fact) that using praise, treats, toys and life rewards could give you a dog that still behaved as well as one who was trained physically, would you still choose to smack him on the bottom?

I’m curious here too. On good days I feel like people choose to hit because they simply don’t know better. But then there are days where I just despair. Where no matter what evidence you present, people flat refuse to see anything other than their paradigm. I mean... there really is a flat earth society, and they are serious about it...

I ended up talking to this one guy about dogs at some non-dog event a while back. I was there with Bates, who this guy thought was a lab, and he was talking labs and training.
He said his pup is well trained now, that all he has to do is point and the dog lays down and cowers. He didn’t say cower but he did the motion with his head, neck and shoulders, of a dog cowering.
I looked at him for a good 10 seconds before responding, trying to figure out if he was having me on or not. Finally I asked him, “so you’re proud that your dog cowers when you point at him?†He replied “damn right I am. That’s exactly what he should do.â€

Meanwhile there I am with a “lab†who is showing excellent obedience, all sorts of different behaviors, no treats in sight, just a dog wanting to work with his handler, and all this guy wants to see is a dog drop in fear when he points at him.

There ya go....

 

[rubygirl]

I can absolutely assure you that, if I ever have children THIS:



will not be my reaction to anything. Super - kill your dog to feed your kids, but you can't stay clean for them? What a lovely way to teach them responsibility.

I'm sorry you have to hit your dog to make it listen. I'm sorry for your dog, and I'm sorry for you, and I'm sorry for your children who will grow up thinking it is okay.

I've never touched a dog with a choke chain, but even I know that letting a dog lean on it until they are uncomfortable is the wrong way to use it.

We had my young nephew here for a few days last week. Like most 6 year old boys, he interacts with Gusto in exactly the same way I do when I'm trying to get him riled and pumped up. Unlike with me, I didn't want Gusto replying by leaping at the boy in enthusiasm. By day two, every time my nephew leaned over, ran at Gusto, ran away from Gusto, and made excited noises at him - Gusto threw himself into a sit. Nobody laid a hand on him. Heck, I didn't even have cookies out most of the time. I'd use a marker word and then release him to me for play time.

But it must be because he's my wee coodle baby-boy snookums!

It's medicinal marijuana but thank you for your condescending and ignorant (even fat-witted) attitude. Now that that is out of the way.
There is nothing but a bunch of PITA shouting, vegan preaching, "clean" never had a drink/toke (poor you), clicking/treating bunch of ******** that I have ever met.
What I do is what I do and it is highly, HIGHLY effective. *tee hee
I find it ironic that all of the positive reinforcement junkies that preach and get up on their soapbox have THE MOST ill behaved, disrespectful, worthless animals.
My dog is not a mindless drone. I suppose that's why a hotdog here and there isn't particularly impressive. Nor is a bouncing tennis ball.
I find it highly ironic that plenty of members on here create threads about their dogs biting, destroying their house/belongings, ********everywhere and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE POSTERS BELIEVE IN POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT.
You believe in this scientific/clinical way of training a dog. I believe in instinct. Understanding dog body language and how to appropriately.
I'm sorry that you all have to rely on some distant "expert" or "scientist".
Didnt some Great Dane on this forum just have an accident when it was just about to attack the owners father and ended up having to be put down?? What if that dog had gotten to that man?
That dog should have been put down LONGGG ago and thank God it got hurt before it potentially mauled that man.
You are all asinine (well i cant say all of the members but the general consensus). As is this pathetic excuse for a forum.
To put a dogs life before a humans. Bunch of degenerates.
That dog Holly should be shot. The end.

 

[Barbara!]

You're a dumbass. That's really all there is to it. You don't want to pay attention to facts. Pathetic.

And sure, hitting your dog certainly works to stop the behavior... But at what price? Fear? Permanent damage? All because you're too sad of a human being to actually fix your dogs behaviors the appropriate way?

Yeah. Lets shoot a dog for a fixable behavior. Lets shoot a dog for biting a man that attacked her. Sorry, but you don't have the "pit bull mentality". I don't know anyone who actually has that mentality that would agree with you. You're taking everything to the extreme. You think you're right because of your anecdotal evidence. Sure, screw doctors, screw scientific fact...you MUST be smarter than all the scientists who studied dog brains and you must be smarter than all the trainers here with decades of experience and success with their dogs. Why the hell are you even on forums? You don't want to learn anything.

So go away.

 

[Danefied]

Didnt some Great Dane on this forum just have an accident when it was just about to attack the owners father and ended up having to be put down?? What if that dog had gotten to that man?
That dog should have been put down LONGGG ago and thank God it got hurt before it potentially mauled that man.

**** YOU

You are a pathetic excuse of a human being and I hope the above gets your ass banned. If it doesn’t I hope my reply gets mine banned so I never have to read any of your oral diarrhea again.

 

[rubygirl]

It's all what we view as success. It's perspective.
My dog *****/****** outside. My dog is respectful at all times. She is leery around new people but NEVER aggressive. My dog has perfect recall. She NEVER chews anything. She never digs. She doesn't pull on the leash. She doesn't jump.
She is NOT fearful of me ever. She is not confused. She know EXACTLY what to do.
I didn't use all of Cesars methods but I certainly borrowed some ideas.
Do I believe everything Cesar Millan says/does- no! Do I think he is the devil incarnate that beats animal-- absolutely ******* not!

 

[Barbara!]

It's all what we view as success. It's perspective.
My dog *****/****** outside. My dog is respectful at all times. She is leery around new people but NEVER aggressive. My dog has perfect recall. She NEVER chews anything. She never digs. She doesn't pull on the leash. She doesn't jump.
She is NOT fearful of me ever. She is not confused. She know EXACTLY what to do.
I didn't use all of Cesars methods but I certainly borrowed some ideas.
Do I believe everything Cesar Millan says/does- no! Do I think he is the devil incarnate that beats animal-- absolutely ******* not!

If you train how you claim you do, she doesn't do these behaviors because she is afraid you will hurt her. Awesome!

Also, you're speaking to the middle man here. I have been known to smack my dogs on impulse as well. But I know there is a better way of training and a strive for that. You, however, don't want to learn or move forward... You just want to come here with your "facts" and your incorrect information and tell professional trainers that THEY are wrong and YOU are right. No, you're just an idiot.

 

[rubygirl]

You're a dumbass. That's really all there is to it. You don't want to pay attention to facts. Pathetic.

And sure, hitting your dog certainly works to stop the behavior... But at what price? Fear? Permanent damage? All because you're too sad of a human being to actually fix your dogs behaviors the appropriate way?

Yeah. Lets shoot a dog for a fixable behavior. Lets shoot a dog for biting a man that attacked her. Sorry, but you don't have the "pit bull mentality". I don't know anyone who actually has that mentality that would agree with you. You're taking everything to the extreme. You think you're right because of your anecdotal evidence. Sure, screw doctors, screw scientific fact...you MUST be smarter than all the scientists who studied dog brains and you must be smarter than all the trainers here with decades of experience and success with their dogs. Why the hell are you even on forums? You don't want to learn anything.

So go away.

Yea because I said I hit my dog.

 

[AllisonPitbullLvr]

Wow. You can educate the ignorant, deal with the stupid but there's just nothing to be done about people who seek pleasure in hurting others. Class act.

 

[rubygirl]

If you train how you claim you do, she doesn't do these behaviors because she is afraid you will hurt her. Awesome!

Also, you're speaking to the middle man here. I have been known to smack my dogs on impulse as well. But I know there is a better way of training and a strive for that. You, however, don't want to learn or move forward... You just want to come here with your "facts" and your incorrect information and tell professional trainers that THEY are wrong and YOU are right. No, you're just an idiot.

She has NEVER been scared of me. Just like if she got into a dog fight she wouldn't be scared of the opposition.
Your are anthropomorphizing. Gee what a ****ing surprise

 

[Barbara!]

No, once again you're using a word you don't know the definition of. Dogs can FEAR.

And just because she doesn't cower doesn't mean she isn't afraid. She doesn't repeat the behaviors because she is afraid you will hit her. How sad.

 

[rubygirl]

Wow. You can educate the ignorant, deal with the stupid but there's just nothing to be done about people who seek pleasure in hurting others. Class act.

The truth hurts but it doesn't change that it is the truth.
I am stupid and ignorant because I'm not following along with all of the rest of the sheeple on this forum? Great.

 

[rubygirl]

No, once again you're using a word you don't know the definition of. Dogs can FEAR.

And just because she doesn't cower doesn't mean she isn't afraid. She doesn't repeat the behaviors because she is afraid you will hit her. How sad.

I didn't say that I hit her. Not one time. That's an assumption.

 

[Danefied]

Are you the one with the Dane? I'm sure you know it already but if that dog had gotten a hold of your dad he could have died. Weigh it. Your dad or your dog.
Knowing how society is today you would have prioritized your dog. THAT is f*cked up.

Just as I suspected, you don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about.
Yes I have danes, no, none have been put down. You’re clueless. Get the story right for one, and secondly, I prioritize my dogs over several people. Welcome to the list.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

She isn't the owner of the Dane in question. Classy though.

It's medicinal- Bwahahahaha

It's okay to be a rude jerk, you're high.

Go away, we're not your style.

 

[rubygirl]

Just as I suspected, you don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about.
Yes I have danes, no, none have been put down. You’re clueless. Get the story right for one, and secondly, I prioritize my dogs over several people. Welcome to the list.

Well I don't know who's Dane it was. I just know it had a history of having its screws loose.

 

[Danefied]

Wow. You can educate the ignorant, deal with the stupid but there's just nothing to be done about people who seek pleasure in hurting others. Class act.

This is it exactly. This rubygirl person/troll enjoys hurting people, enjoys hurting dogs. And she’s a mother.
This is one of those days when I despair

 

[AllisonPitbullLvr]

The truth hurts but it doesn't change that it is the truth.
I am stupid and ignorant because I'm not following along with all of the rest of the sheeple on this forum? Great.

No, you're missing the point. You're not ignorant, not with all the information you've been given. You're not stupid either. You're callous and mean spirited. That's worse than ignorance and stupidity combined. But I bet you're the kind of person who pats themselves on the back when you've made someone else feel badly. Bullies are all alike. You respond with jabs you know will get attention. Your life outside the Internet must be so sad and unfulfilling of you get your kicks harassing people online.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

This is it exactly. This rubygirl person/troll enjoys hurting people, enjoys hurting dogs. And she’s a mother.
This is one of those days when I despair

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

 

[rubygirl]

She isn't the owner of the Dane in question. Classy though.

It's medicinal- Bwahahahaha

It's okay to be a rude jerk, you're high.

Go away, we're not your style.

I'm sober right now. I would be a lot more gentle if I was.
Your absolutely right, your not at all my style.
I don't have dogs to replace kids, because I feel unloved or because I don't have meaningless relationships. I have a dog because I wanted a pet.
She is my pet and a **** good one

 

[Barbara!]

Too bad you're not a good owner.