my GSD too much of a guard dog???

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is there such a thing? he doesn't let anyone in the house or close to the house. if a stranger is at the door he growls and shows his teeth, and goes ballistic. i mean , i like it because it makes me feel safe, but is this a problem??? i already put a warning Dog sticker at the door. but my boyfriend came over yesterday, and he has no problem with him when he is IN the house, but when he drove up. he leaped towards the car and tried to literally attack the car. once my guy is in the house, the dog is fine. but otherwise he goes crazy if someone is outside or comes near me. is this normal??? i'm confused....he's very obedient, and listens if i tell him to back off...:confused:
 

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My dog looks vicious and uncontrollable when someone comes to the door, or comes up to the car when we're not in it. As soon as I welcome someone into the house or tell him to stop, he backs off and I rarely hear more than a "wuff" out of him after that. I think it's normal as long as the dog can be called off.
 

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Honestly it sounds like your dog is an extremely territorial animal.

I suggest socializing him a bit more so he doesn't hurt someone in the future.
 

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I suggest you limit his territorial/guarding behavior, to the house only. All of my dogs are allowed to alert me of someone coming down the walkway and to the door. They also know to go lay down when they're told to "leave it' or "quiet". When they are with me in the yard, or front of the house, this behavior is not allowed. They know this is not their decision to make, but rather mine, if I think there's a problem. Otherwise, everyone I greet, they are required to be respectful of. Being allowed to charge a car or someone in your front yard, is an accident waiting to happen. You don't have the same control over him in the yard that you do in the house, when he's behind a door. If he were to ignore your command to "leave it", you would not reach him before he reaches the person getting out of the car. That is often how the electric company employee, reading a meter or a postal worker gets bitten. By dogs who've learned to become quiet distressed by strangers in their yard. Your dog not acknowleging that it is your boyfreinds car and your boyfriend behind that window, should tell you it's time to nip this in the bud. Good luck!
 
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It's good that he listens to you and is obedient, but a good guard dog looks to his/her master before going from 'alert' to 'attack' mode, and it sounds as if your dog is skipping this step. He's ignoring you, and making his own decisions. Even if you agreed with his decisions most of the time, it's a bad idea to let him do this, especially if he's failing to discriminate between legitimate threats and your boyfriend.
 

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It sounds extreme to me. How old is this dog? How much socialization did he have as a very young pup? How many "strangers" visited? It sounds like not enough. He should not go balistic when you're there. My Dobe is safe with strangers if he's outside in the yard....just watches, maybe gives a few woofs while the person is driving up the driveway. But when they get out of their car, he just waits and watches. He'll bark, when inside, but the minute I tell him "enough" and I am walking toward the door, he sits and watches. That's it.

He has prevented someone from coming in the house when I was not there to open the door. I was home, but in the shower. He growled a throaty growl to warn the person not to come in the house, but didn't go balistic, just sat there in front of the door, grrrrr. (this person told me this when I came out on the porch) Then Lyric was friendly.

He did go balistic once when a stranger walked into my son's apartment when we were staying there. The stranger really was a friend, but he walked in in the middle of the night. Door was left unlocked. Weird guy.....just had to talk to my son. Lyric knew that was weird too. He didn't lunge or bite, but barked/growled viciously after we both leaped off the couch in utter surprise.

So, in other words, he knows when someone has business here and when they don't. Just today I had guys installing Direct TV. All the dogs yapped a little when they knocked on the door. Once inside, after some sniffing and greeting, they just settled down. Lyric curled up on the couch with one eye open. LOL. He's more of a silent observer than one to make a lot of noise. He's really good at distinguishing between normal, friendly strangers and someone up to no good. I've had numerous people knock on my door that he doesn't know when he's outside and I'm not, and he just watches...He looks a little suspicious, but waits for me and then you can see his eyes watching me, then the person, then me. It's interesting.

One time when I was not home, my niece came in with a guy who Lyric didn't know. Lyric loves my niece. So, it wasn't on account of her, but the guy....Lyric growled and was quite toothy/vicious looking and all muscled up. She told her friend to get out of the house, NOW. (She was here to take care of my dogs when I was gone all day for a long time.) So, I take it, that Lyric didn't know whether my niece had things under control or not....if he was protecting her. He didn't seem to get the idea that this guy was OK to be in the house when I wasn't home and that he belonged with my niece, that they were together....or something. He was in his crate, as he was still too young to be left loose in the house... and she went back in my bedroom to let him out and this guy was standing in the kitchen as Lyric ran into the kitchen. He was very taken off guard. So, here's this strange man standing in the kitchen, my niece coming back from the bedroom and Lyric just was positive that this was not normal. The guy said, "Oh, it's OK. He'll be fine." Meanwhile, Lyric is really quite vicious, but no going after him...just standing in one place. My niece said, "NO!!!! Get out NOW. Go wait in the car." I felt awful afterward when she told me all this.

Sorry for all my rambling stories...thought they'd give you an idea how different dogs behave differently in certain situations.

So, socialization...lots of it is so important and before about 3-4 months old and continuing. You may need some professional help. This sounds potentially dangerous. I hope things will be OK. Good luck.
 

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Doberluv, I just got a visual of your big baby in the picture, being mouthed and corrected by his Chihuahua, guarding the house. I have a feeling the Chi is "tougher", as is the case with my Poodle verses my Dob. Lol
 

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LOL. Well, honestly, the Chihuahuas make a lot of racket. But no growling. They are just going, "yip, yip, yippeeeeeee! Someone's here! I think that means it's a party." LOL. They're pretty darn friendly to everyone. But yes, the three other dogs bark more than Lyric. They've got this arrangement, you see. They're suppose to do all the main chorus parts, and he just steps in for the choreography.
 
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As someone who experienced something similar with a Cane Corso, you want to get professional help NOW. It already sounds like your dog is severely limiting your social life, not to mention inhibiting his own freedom with his behavior. Find a professional behaviorist who can work with you guys. It's no small matter when a large dog decides to physically take care of things, and it sounds like your dog isn't too far off from using his teeth on someone.
 

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Boy Cassie, you verbalized what was on my mind. I'm no trainer but it seems to me that this dog has a big dominance and judgement issue. I would be seriously afraid of the future without some professional help.
 

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That doesn't sound normal. Both my dogs bark when people come at night but they've never growled or shown teeth. I'd look into getting him some help so he doesn't cause any problems. I am not saying he will but better be safe right?
 

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It's not abnormal for a protection dog to show teeth, growl, snarl, bark, lunge or bite IF there is an appropriate situation...appropriate according to OUR viewpoint. LOL. It's their job! That's what a dog with stronger protection tendencies needs to learn though....what's appropriate and what isn't. And they learn it through mass socialization and appropriate handling.

It just sounds like this dog is flying off the handle at completely irrelevant people and really over the top, over "protective." Do get a certified and reputable behaviorist who knows how to work with you and your dog. This dog is a real liability and time bomb ready to explode. He and you both need professional help, someone who can observe you and your dog, what's going on exactly. It's something that needs to happen soon because if you wait, this behavior will become even more engrained. Let us know how it goes.
 

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Boy Cassie, you verbalized what was on my mind. I'm no trainer but it seems to me that this dog has a big dominance and judgement issue. I would be seriously afraid of the future without some professional help.

I think people really really tend to exagerate dominance...

If he had a dominance issue he wouldnt listen to her. She says in first post that he is very obedient. :)
 

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It's not abnormal for a protection dog to show teeth, growl, snarl, bark, lunge or bite IF there is an appropriate situation...appropriate according to OUR viewpoint. LOL. It's their job! That's what a dog with stronger protection tendencies needs to learn though....what's appropriate and what isn't. And they learn it through mass socialization and appropriate handling.

It just sounds like this dog is flying off the handle at completely irrelevant people and really over the top, over "protective." Do get a certified and reputable behaviorist who knows how to work with you and your dog. This dog is a real liability and time bomb ready to explode. He and you both need professional help, someone who can observe you and your dog, what's going on exactly. It's something that needs to happen soon because if you wait, this behavior will become even more engrained. Let us know how it goes.
I agree.

Its really hard to tell from one post on message board, really have to see a dog in person to assess the situation.

Basically a guard dog has to learn rules of engagement that are appropriate for the envirenment it lives in. Obviously with handlers help.

For example when my dog was in his terrible two's he thought that my property extended for around 200 meters and barked at EVERYTHING. Through training he now has a set distances at which he growls, at which he barks and at which he tries to smash the window down. :) Basically alot of desensetization(sp?)
 

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When Lyric was a pup, the trainer we were using warned me of something. She had had a Doberman several years prior. She said that when someone came to the door when she wasn't home, that dog ripped down her blinds and just made a mess. He'd go balistic, out of control and she feared he'd break a window trying to get at someone outside. She warned me to make sure to teach Lyric, while he was young to keep it down to a "dull roar" even if someone was coming to the door. She said that you need to go to the dog and let him know that that is ENOUGH. It's great that they warn us and scare away the bad guys but they can do that without losing total control of themselves. They can learn. Lyric barks and growls at stangers when he's inside and puts his front feet up on the couch by the window where he can see the front porch. But he doesn't touch the window or my blinds. He is more like a regular dog barking hard, a little bit of growly stuff but still....not going nuts. And if I am there in the area, I tell him, "off" (the couch) and thank you, now that's "enough." I don't scold him, but I do let him know......no more. I'll handle from here. Then I ask him to sit/wait about 6-8 feet back from the door, while I open it. Then I release him to sniff the person and greet. And he know then, that I feel OK with this person and he can feel OK too.

So, hopefully, if you get a behaviorist, she can show you some ideas of what to do. But there's not a whole lot of promise if your pup wasn't socialized amply between birth and about 12-16 weeks. That is such a critical period where they develop their little personalities. I'm sure some of this can be modified, but he may be one that you'll always really have to watch.
 

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Unless trained to growl and bear teeth ... I'd be very cautious . He could be confused in his natural act to protect you . I'd say more training .... you don't want two kids down the road playing and he decides one is roughhousing too much ....
 

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this certainly sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

What if a kid selling cookies showed up in the yard/door?

GSD's aren't stupid animals, maybe he's been allowed to do it and now it's gotten to the point where it's 'normal' for him to do it. He doesn't know his boundaries.

I'd definately seek out some professional help asap before he ends up attacking someone and you loose everything you own.

Diane
 

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I agree Jynx. It's become a habit. I wish the OP would tell us the age of this dog. I keep talking about my Doberman in comparrison. But I've had GSDs too. And never had that kind of thing going on. In fact, my GSDs were less concerned about strangers than my Doberman. LOL. But once when something strage and scary happened, my most recent GSD went into serious protection mode. Otherwise he and the GSD before him were quite amiable with friendly strangers, more friendly than reserved, where my Doberman is more aloof at first with strangers. Then if he likes them, he'll get more
friendly. I do hope you can get some help and improve these issues.
 
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without seeing the dog there is no way to know if its just a dog not knowing its boundaries, a territorial dog, fear based, etc. Get to someone that can see your dog and make that determination.
 

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well...my dog does all mentioned, too when someone comes to the door. he could take the Oscar for a performance of KILLER DOG. he stops when I say it's ok for the person to come inside, so I've never minded. but...he bares teeth...growls...hair up on neck...and MAJOR barking in his 'man bark' to ANY person coming on our property. I'm not sure what everyone is saying here...is that bad? I also like it...it makes me feel safe, too. you are NOT going to get anywhere near my door with ease. I don't find it a liability as long as my dog can be controlled. not sure if that's the case with the OP or not. but, like her........I welcome that 'attitude'. I like that my dogs are not generally fond of any stranger.
 

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