My Dog Is Going After My Guinea Pigs!

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I have a Westie and 3 guinea pigs. The guinea pigs are in cages so
Scout can not really hurt them, but he scares them to death with his barking, and constant barking is getting pretty annoying. We taught him the "quiet" command, and do you know what he did? He would go over to the cages, bark, we would give the quiet command, he would stop, come over for his petting, and do it again for the attention! I know it is the nature of a terrier to go after small animals, but is there some way I can satisfy my dog's instinct without the use of my guinea pigs as an afternoon snack? He barks all day at the guinea pigs. If we shut him out of the room that the guinea pigs are in, be barks even louder and peels the paint of the door with his scratching. Ideas, please!:(:confused:
 

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I have guinea pigs and dogs, and one of those dogs is also a terrier who wants to eat small critters. My guinea pigs live in their own room with the door closed at all times. If you can't do this, I recommend keeping your dog on a leash and teaching him that other things are more fun than guinea pigs; reward him for ignoring them with treats, toys, praise, whatever he values highly.

NEVER EVER let the guinea pigs and the dog try to "play". A dog can easily kill a guinea pig just by hitting it wrong with a paw in play.
 

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terrier play can be hard on small nonbiting rodents. you need to get through to the dog that you do not approve of his behavior. right now he doesn't care what your opinion is or he'd have stopped already. first stop rewarding him for his bad behavior. when you quiet him, DON'T pet him up. use your angry voice and let him know you unhappy. ignore him when he tries to suck up or send him to a quiet spot & down him. after enough repititions he should figure out to leave the rodents alone (although in his defense my kid from peru tells me they are really good eating).

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the more you exhaust him outside the house the less interest he'll have in the rodents in the house.
 

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How much exercise is this dog getting? That's what I would start with -- poop him out!

I would also move the cages to another room. Do you have a baby gate? You could prop that up against the door so that he can't scratch the paint off. Does your dog have lots of toys? Get him so interactive toys and/or smear peanut butter on the insides of kongs and the like.

As for the barking, perhaps try ignoring it completely? By doing this hopefully he would realize that no matter how long or loud he barks, there is no way you are letting him in with the guinea pigs. I imagine it would be similar to crate training.

However I am no trainer so if someone better equipped comes along take their advice!
 

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My dog, a large sight hound, would love love love to eat our chickens, but every time he looked at them to begin with, I told him to leave it. It took about a week, but he is safe with them now.

Now, this dog started out with a solid "leave it". I'm talking, I can put a bloody beef steak in between his front paws, in a down/stay and tell him to leave it, go outside and come back 5 minutes later and he and the steak will still be there as I left them. He respects my ownership of resources, and so he respects the birds as being my "property" and won't even look at them now. You're starting from a different point in training, so getting him to leave your guinea pigs alone will take longer.

That being said, I would never in a million years leave him unsupervised with the birds. Prey drive can be tricky, and if something the birds did triggered it, and I wasn't there to intervene they would be dead in a hurry. He sees baby chicks as amazing peeping popcorn treats, and when I hold one around him he does backflips trying to figure out what he needs to do to earn it. However, he NEVER is pushy with me trying to demand it, even though it is something he wants more than anything else in the world. He is more interested in them than he is with female dogs in season, if that gives you an idea.

If the westie was my dog, I would tie him to my belt with a leash. This is going off your other thread where you say he is pooping in the house.

I would get some food he loves, since he isn't eating his kibble something like boiled shredded chicken would do, and keep a bag of it in my pocket. Every time he looked at me, paid attention, listened well, pooped outside, etc. I would reward him with a shred of chicken. This is to build his drive to work for you, attention, respect (since you are managing every resource) and also allows you to micromanage him so that he doesn't have a chance to be unsuccessful and poop in your house.

As for the guinea pigs, I would put them in a different room until he learns to pay better attention to you. Start by teaching him a solid "leave it" command. What that command means is "never, ever in 100,000,000 years will you EVER get THAT thing". Very different from "wait", which means "you can have that when I say so." Your dog sounds smart, so if the meaning of "leave it" has been tainted by allowing him to have something after he was told to "leave it", find another word. I don't care if it is "watermelon", as long as he has no previous associations to it.

When he gets good at it, start taking him near the guinea pig room. If he reacts say "eh eh" and lead him away. When he's calm, try again but not as close. His reward for being calm is being near them in this case. When he reacts, he is removed. When he can be calm, start rewarding him heavily as he ignores them. You might have to do this 100 or more times depending on the dog, how much he respects you at that point, and how driven he is to eat your piggies. No matter how good he gets around them, I would still never ever leave them alone in a room together, even with the pigs in cages. A determined terrier can do amazing and horrifying damage. Just ask some of our members. :p

A good game to play with him would be doggie zen. Hold a great treat in your open hand. He will rush over and try to take it. Just smile and close your hand so he can't. Don't correct him, don't talk to him. Just close your fingers. When he backs off, open your fingers again. When he rushes, close it. Don't keep your hand open until he is sitting quietly, not trying to get the treat. Then give him the treat. This teaches him self control. That to get the treat, he must not want the treat.

ETA: The suggestion to wear him out is great! Tired dogs are good dogs.
 
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We have two ferrets along with five of the dogs living in the house, but the ferrets stay in my sons room, and when they come out of the cage I make sure to shut his door. The dogs don't care, except every now and then Thumper, one of the dobes goes to the door and just stares like he knows he is going to get one any minute. A terrier though, they will probably have a lot bigger drive to go after it. What you are doing sounds like something I would see on the dog training shows on tv, so maybe keep on distracting during that behavior.
 

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I actually have a house rabbit. She runs loose 24/7 and uses a litter box like a cat would. When I first brought Lynn home she would try to chase after it, and bark constantly. I would just clap my hands and say "bap bap bap" or something else loud. She would stop and look at me, and leave the bunny alone. Then in a few days I taught her the leave it command, and would tell her to leave it whenever she was chasing, barking, or getting too rough with it.

now i dont have to worry about her :)
 

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Are the Guinea pigs scared if he just watches them or do they only get frightened if he barks? I know my gerbils adjusted to my cats VERY quickly (the cats were here when I got them and they were young). BUT I never allowed the cats to get on top of the cage or to smack the cage.

Basically I used being allowed to watch the gerbils as a reward. So long as the cat was doing the things I allowed (in your case being quiet) they could watch. As soon as they did something off limits they would be removed from the room. So you might try going in with the dog on leash and letting him watch the piggies. As soon as he barks walk out of the room with him for a minute or two. At first let small noises (NOT barking but whining) go, it's an improvement. After barking is gone work on whining.

If you would like it to go faster you can further reward quiet time (especially if it doesn't last long, this will probably increase the length of quiet times) by clicking and treating him the MOMENT he stops making noise. This will make him try even harder to stay quiet.

Now if the dog's presence alone scares the piggies you'll have to do something else, I would put the piggies in a new room and close the door. Although I fear if he can smell the piggies he'll keep up the barking through the door. Westies were trained to chase animals down their burrows and bark, bark, bark until they were removed from the hole. In earth dog trials if the dog stops barking he will fail (at least the one I saw on TV for westies) the test. So if your dog has strong instincts it'll be hard to stop him if he can smell the animal. So keep the cage clean and as far from the closed door as possible.
 
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Thank you everybody! I will teach him the "leave it" command. How do you go about teaching that? He is getting adequate excercise right now, I will start to really tire him out. The cages are elevated so when he stands on his hind legs, he can't quite see them. They are only scared when he barks. I will keep him attached to me or crated at all times from now on.
 

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you don't train dogs to hunt, you train them on what they aren't allowed to hunt and they will take care of the rest, IF they have it in them.
 

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