Mom jailed over sending kids to better school
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I never understood the whole district stuff in the states anyways - here you go to the school that you choose, no matter what district. It'd be silly in my opinion. You have to go to a crappy school because your parents don't have enough money to live in a better district - so you have to go to go to bad school, find bad friends and not get the education you could be getting. So pointless.
Anywho, She was commiting a crime - knowingly. However, like someone else already said, the children's father lives in said district. He pays taxes in that district, so HIS children should be able to go to school there. IMO. And why the heck would you send someone to jail for that. Its not like a huge crime.
Anywho, She was commiting a crime - knowingly. However, like someone else already said, the children's father lives in said district. He pays taxes in that district, so HIS children should be able to go to school there. IMO. And why the heck would you send someone to jail for that. Its not like a huge crime.
I thought I would change my mind a little after I had some time to think about it, but nope I didnt, I hope she gets what she deserves, and was she really thinking about her kids, if she was teaching them it was ok to commit fraud? Sure, she wants them in a better school district so when they grow up and commit fraud they will be smart enough to do it better than she did...
anyhoo, I hope she gets what she deserves...
It was HER father, not the children's father.
anyhoo, I hope she gets what she deserves...
It was HER father, not the children's father.
That would be true except for the fact that it's a common practice in the States to get your kids into a decent school district, so no, she didn't have a reasonable expectation of penalty if she were caught. Generally you either have to move your kids back to their proper school district at the end of the school year or pay a nominal tuition.
Real world circumstance is she's being made an example of or she's just pissed off the wrong people at some point -- or someone in her family has, or a friend has, or she has an ex who is friends with the right people or any combination of the above.
Yah, throw her in jail. Great way to add another welfare recipient to the roster when she gets out, throw her kids lives all to hell . . . and all for what?
Seriously, isn't there a rapist or something at large who needs catching? All the meth kitchens closed down there? Surely someone's run a red light or stolen a street sign?
Real world circumstance is she's being made an example of or she's just pissed off the wrong people at some point -- or someone in her family has, or a friend has, or she has an ex who is friends with the right people or any combination of the above.
Yah, throw her in jail. Great way to add another welfare recipient to the roster when she gets out, throw her kids lives all to hell . . . and all for what?
Seriously, isn't there a rapist or something at large who needs catching? All the meth kitchens closed down there? Surely someone's run a red light or stolen a street sign?
Says who? It's common practice to try LEGALLY to get your kids into a good school district, but not to forge paperwork. Here if you're found out, it costs you $13k per year per kid for all the years they've attended illegally. That's not exactly nominal.
Oh, and your kid goes back to their zoned school the next day.
Parents move all the flippin' time to get their kids in better schools. They'll rent a basement apartment for their family in a good district instead of a whole house in a lesser one--but it is rare to come across people lying (either because they're incredibly good at it (doubtful) or because the penalties are severe).
Oh, and your kid goes back to their zoned school the next day.
Parents move all the flippin' time to get their kids in better schools. They'll rent a basement apartment for their family in a good district instead of a whole house in a lesser one--but it is rare to come across people lying (either because they're incredibly good at it (doubtful) or because the penalties are severe).
Meh, I am on the fence here. Well, not on the fence if what she did was right or wrong... but sending her off to jail. It seems that is just waste of money. But then again, I think a lot of non-violent offenders don't belong in jail/prison, especially with the overpopulation of prisons we are experiencing. There are more cost efficient, unconventional methods out there to "punish" these offenders.
When you buy a house here, you just HAVE to to consider the school district if you have kids or want them. I think we're a couple years away from even having kids and that is something we took into consideration. And if you just don't want to sacrifice certain criteria, then you have to suck it up and try to get your kids into alternative after school programs, etc.
But falsifying records, lying, and, on top of that, involving your children in it, too, is just wrong.
When you buy a house here, you just HAVE to to consider the school district if you have kids or want them. I think we're a couple years away from even having kids and that is something we took into consideration. And if you just don't want to sacrifice certain criteria, then you have to suck it up and try to get your kids into alternative after school programs, etc.
But falsifying records, lying, and, on top of that, involving your children in it, too, is just wrong.
Or because no one's really looking -- or cares -- unless someone's rattled a cage.
I'd imagine things are a bit tighter in a higher metro/income area and a lot of folks who live in high end neighborhoods keep a lookout for kids who don't "fit in" with the norm, and I can understand that. No one wants to have to deal with inner city problems when they've invested time, effort and money into escaping them.
The new integration isn't racial so much as it is economic/social. I wonder how long it's going to be before some Einstein decides to start busing kids back and forth from the upscale and low income neighborhoods. Busing has always worked so well in the past /sarcasm off
I'd imagine things are a bit tighter in a higher metro/income area and a lot of folks who live in high end neighborhoods keep a lookout for kids who don't "fit in" with the norm, and I can understand that. No one wants to have to deal with inner city problems when they've invested time, effort and money into escaping them.
The new integration isn't racial so much as it is economic/social. I wonder how long it's going to be before some Einstein decides to start busing kids back and forth from the upscale and low income neighborhoods. Busing has always worked so well in the past /sarcasm off
You obviously have your mind made up.
I can guarantee you that administration in this county cares. Not because of economic makeup of the students--the school i work at is 50% below the poverty line, but they still deny people going there if they don't live in the county. They only have $x to work with, based on the population of kids within the area and the performance of those kids the year before. If students from out of the county enroll, the resources are stretched that much thinner--and they're pretty bare to begin with.
Actually, the county here does a pretty good job of drawing school boundaries in really funky ways to attempt to evenly distribute students of various economic statuses. You'll see it go so far as half an apartment complex attending one school and the other half at the other school.
Far and away the biggest indicator of a student's academic success is their economic status. If your family is poor, you're far less likely to be in honors classes. There was a great study done in Montgomery County, Maryland last year, studying the affects of pouring money into poorly performing schools vs. busing those kids to wealthier schools. Hands down, the kids attending the wealthier schools had better achievement. You can say it's a bad idea or whatever you want...but those were the results.
I can guarantee you that administration in this county cares. Not because of economic makeup of the students--the school i work at is 50% below the poverty line, but they still deny people going there if they don't live in the county. They only have $x to work with, based on the population of kids within the area and the performance of those kids the year before. If students from out of the county enroll, the resources are stretched that much thinner--and they're pretty bare to begin with.
Actually, the county here does a pretty good job of drawing school boundaries in really funky ways to attempt to evenly distribute students of various economic statuses. You'll see it go so far as half an apartment complex attending one school and the other half at the other school.
Far and away the biggest indicator of a student's academic success is their economic status. If your family is poor, you're far less likely to be in honors classes. There was a great study done in Montgomery County, Maryland last year, studying the affects of pouring money into poorly performing schools vs. busing those kids to wealthier schools. Hands down, the kids attending the wealthier schools had better achievement. You can say it's a bad idea or whatever you want...but those were the results.
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I couldn't read through this whole thread...like the few first comments say she probably should have had the right to send the kids there if their father paid district taxes and things, but she falsified a lot of documents and that IS illegal. Whether I agree with her arrest and whether I agree with the laws are two different things.
But I wanted to say while I was in high school, I knew quite a few (probably a dozen or so) kids who lived in poorer areas, and claimed they lived with an aunt/uncle/grandparent in the district in order to attend that school. A few of them were overheard by teachers talking about living in another town or whatever and I know they were told it was illegal and the parents were met with, but only one of them ever stopped attending school there...
But I wanted to say while I was in high school, I knew quite a few (probably a dozen or so) kids who lived in poorer areas, and claimed they lived with an aunt/uncle/grandparent in the district in order to attend that school. A few of them were overheard by teachers talking about living in another town or whatever and I know they were told it was illegal and the parents were met with, but only one of them ever stopped attending school there...
So you're telling me that the school didn't get their fair share of funds to educate the children in question? I'll have to disagree, considering the grandfather was and probably had been paying taxes for a long time. What a joke that they wanted to charge her, despite the fact that taxes HAD been paid to fund that school. The system is completely screwed up. We pay taxes and our son is in a private school. We are paying for the neighborhood kids to attend a school, as well as, our own son. What do our taxes fund, if not my son?
Legalities aside, did her children benefit from the education? Did they go on to become productive adults? Would they have if they had attended the school that was educationally inferior? I think it's well known that low income areas tend to have more drop outs and less financial success. Maybe the thirty thousand was made up in spades because the kids in question are now productive and paying their own taxes. It's a cluster, but to be charged and WASTE more money in legal cost...absurd.
I pay taxes. I have no children. Should I not have to pay taxes any more?
Education is a societal burden. As a society we decided that it is to the benefit of all to have an educated population. Therefore, we all pay, whether or not we use the system. It is NOT paying for your own child or your family members. If it was, every parent in my county would be paying $13k/year per child in school taxes--the cost the county spends on each child in the system. Instead, property taxes are sent to the state, who allocates the funds to the counties accordingly. I know here, property taxes actually exceed the amount given back to the county--but that's because property values here are so high and homes so dense. Places like this subsidize rural schools in the state that couldn't run based on the values of property in the community.
Education is a societal burden. As a society we decided that it is to the benefit of all to have an educated population. Therefore, we all pay, whether or not we use the system. It is NOT paying for your own child or your family members. If it was, every parent in my county would be paying $13k/year per child in school taxes--the cost the county spends on each child in the system. Instead, property taxes are sent to the state, who allocates the funds to the counties accordingly. I know here, property taxes actually exceed the amount given back to the county--but that's because property values here are so high and homes so dense. Places like this subsidize rural schools in the state that couldn't run based on the values of property in the community.
It's nice that your state distributes the money evenly. That's not the case everywhere though.
Less than five years ago the schools in Rochester, WA had no running water or bathrooms because the community paying taxes was so poor. It took all the local businesses shaming everybody into voting yes on the school levy for that to change. And by shaming, I mean they put up huge billboards out front that said "MY CHILD USES A PORTAPOTTY AT SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BATHROOMS. VOTE YES ON LEVY BLAH BLAH"
It's pretty embarrassing, and horrific, and if there was a better system of distributing the money it would never have happened. Did some of those parents illegally bus their kids out of district? You bet they did. Do I blame them? Heck no.
Less than five years ago the schools in Rochester, WA had no running water or bathrooms because the community paying taxes was so poor. It took all the local businesses shaming everybody into voting yes on the school levy for that to change. And by shaming, I mean they put up huge billboards out front that said "MY CHILD USES A PORTAPOTTY AT SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BATHROOMS. VOTE YES ON LEVY BLAH BLAH"
It's pretty embarrassing, and horrific, and if there was a better system of distributing the money it would never have happened. Did some of those parents illegally bus their kids out of district? You bet they did. Do I blame them? Heck no.
Sorry-she deserves the jail. Let them live with dad if the school is that important. Or move.
I have friends who are teachers who have went to school for years and gotten their masters to be in limbo for years to worry about being laid off.
Ohio sucks for paying for school. If my districts next levy does not pass a lot of great teachers will lose jobs and kids will be forced to loose some of the great extra type of classes like ag and home ec and classes will have 40 plus students in them But go ahead and lie and send your kids here Bankrupt our district.
There is a legal way to do it,open enrollment. There is also private school. Of course people do it and do not get caught or nothing is done. But like with speeders,you can't say everyone else was doing it.
Ohio funding is very different from other states.
When my dad had custody of my step moms niece and nephew their home school district was responsible for paying the school district they attended for their education. Lots of things play into it.
I'm ranting
I have friends who are teachers who have went to school for years and gotten their masters to be in limbo for years to worry about being laid off.
Ohio sucks for paying for school. If my districts next levy does not pass a lot of great teachers will lose jobs and kids will be forced to loose some of the great extra type of classes like ag and home ec and classes will have 40 plus students in them
But go ahead and lie and send your kids here Bankrupt our district. There is a legal way to do it,open enrollment. There is also private school. Of course people do it and do not get caught or nothing is done. But like with speeders,you can't say everyone else was doing it.
Ohio funding is very different from other states.
When my dad had custody of my step moms niece and nephew their home school district was responsible for paying the school district they attended for their education. Lots of things play into it.
I'm ranting
