Mom jailed over sending kids to better school

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That is how a couple of the articles stated it (others were ambiguous enough I guess that I didn't catch the discrepancy) Even so I am glad she will likely avoid the felony charge.
Yeah, that mixed me up too. I really hope they overturn the felony part. That'd just keep her in poverty which would be really screwed up.
 
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Let me guess, in Canada, schools are not run on local taxes?

Even if her father is already in the district, and paying for those schools, I still don't like it. School taxes are usually as high as politically feasible, meaning they will not go up unless property value goes up. So, bringing in out of district students means that fixed amount of money has to be spread through more students resulting in less funding per student.

One or two wont make a considerable difference in most cases, but if the schools don't address the problem, it could become a real problem.
 

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I had to go look it up. They are funded by local taxes, but those are pooled.

The Funding Formula

School boards are funded through Ontario's "funding formula." The ministry allocates funding to each board using a formula that's based on student enrolment and the unique needs of the students in each board. The number of schools, their distribution and their physical condition are also factors.

Boards use this money to make the local decisions needed to educate their students. They do this by funding and staffing schools, designing programs to meet the needs of their students and fixing, maintaining and building schools.
How your school is funded
We don't get the 'poor inner city' school phenomenon quite so much.
 

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here it is so much of a problem it is ridculas. especially how the whole funding is set up. to get kids in school here you have to have a driver license with matching address in district, two utility bills in your name that match address , copy of lease in your name.

it is freaking ridculas that my children have to be subjected to over crowding and horrid conditions because of some freaking liars and thief.

i personally feel she needed more time . and she was going to be a teacher , come on can we say "Need ethics" and what makes her kids better than the other kids .
 

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Want to fix public education in the US?

- Pay for it with a STATE sales tax. Stop the utter tyranny that is school property tax and the unfunded mandates placed on schools by the feds. Abolish the Federal Department of Education.

- Break the stangle hold teacher unions have on the process. Why in the hell do public schools teachers need tenure?


Good luck with the 2nd one.

TRILLIONS of dollars... And what do we get for it?
 

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It's lame that this is a felony. I don't think it's something she should lose her voting rights over.

If the girl's father lives in the district and pays taxes there, I don't understand why his children don't have the right to benefit from his taxes even if they don't live with him full time, or even at all.

It's extremely lame too that they're slapping her with a felony charge when she's so close to getting her teaching license and everything too. Seriously, how much of a threat to society is this woman? Not much.
Didn't read the article, but I completely agree.
 

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it is freaking ridculas that my children have to be subjected to over crowding and horrid conditions because of some freaking liars and thief.
I agree with this... maybe it comes from being in a school district with lots of overcrowding, but I don't really have a lot of sympathy for somebody cheating the system, and I definitely don't think just because the kid's grandpa lives in that district they are somehow then "entitled" to go to that school FOR FREE when everybody else is paying for it with their taxes. And yes, it probably costs more to have a house there and their taxes are probably higher - so they all are paying a lot more so this woman can cheat the system and send her kids for free? Erm... no.
 

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here it is so much of a problem it is ridculas. especially how the whole funding is set up. to get kids in school here you have to have a driver license with matching address in district, two utility bills in your name that match address , copy of lease in your name.

it is freaking ridculas that my children have to be subjected to over crowding and horrid conditions because of some freaking liars and thief.

i personally feel she needed more time . and she was going to be a teacher , come on can we say "Need ethics" and what makes her kids better than the other kids .
She needed more time for what? You honestly think a felony is warranted in this case? Come on. Her father was paying taxes. Had her kids not attended that school his taxes would have funded a child he had no relation too. How ridiculous to bombard our legal system with asinine charges against someone who committed a very minor crime. While I don't condone her actions about filing false court documents, she hardly deserves the death penalty.
 
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Her father is not. You do not pay taxes per child, you pay them for the communities children. Her child is taking services away from others.
 

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She needed more time for what? You honestly think a felony is warranted in this case? Come on. Her father was paying taxes. Had her kids not attended that school his taxes would have funded a child he had no relation too. How ridiculous to bombard our legal system with asinine charges against someone who committed a very minor crime. While I don't condone her actions about filing false court documents, she hardly deserves the death penalty.
That's not how it works. So what if grandpa is paying taxes? I will pay taxes till the day I die, and have no intention of having a child. So yes, I am funding the education of zillions of strangers' children. I'm okay with that--I would rather that we have an overall educated population.

Just because grandpa pays taxes does not mean that extended relatives get to go there. The law says you go to school where you live (or you go through an application/approval process to go elsewhere).

She had the option of paying the tuition that she owed the school. She could not do that, hence there have to be other penalties. Do I think she belongs in jail? No ('cause that's a waste of tax payer dollars), but she deserves some sort of penalty.

This actually comes up frequently in this area. I live in one of the top school districts in the country, so people want their children to attend schools in this county. When jobs or housing prices send them to a nearby county, they often want their kids to stay in the original school district. Because of population issues though, they only allow seniors to do that--to finish up high school in their original school. Even then, they have to pay $13,000 to do it (the cost the county spends on a child each year to educate them).
 

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It's lame that this is a felony. I don't think it's something she should lose her voting rights over.

If the girl's father lives in the district and pays taxes there, I don't understand why his children don't have the right to benefit from his taxes even if they don't live with him full time, or even at all.

It's extremely lame too that they're slapping her with a felony charge when she's so close to getting her teaching license and everything too. Seriously, how much of a threat to society is this woman? Not much.
^ this.
 

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She knew what she was doing when she made that choice, and she deserves whatever punishment they hand out, and her "a teacher". Sure, let someone that knowingly commits a crime be a teacher, Im sure she will do some real good in the classroom :rolleyes:
 

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I'd be fine with having her teach my children. Obviously she cares about her children and their quality of education.

ETA: What about states with felony speeding charges? Does anybody here know a person who has never speeded in their life? Do you think a felony speeding charge makes someone unfit to be a teacher?

Certain crimes are really nasty, and I definitely wouldn't want someone who committed them running a classroom. But the world isn't black and white. Neither is every situation.
 

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FYI: Ignore me, Im a pissy "everyone needs and deserves a kick in the face" mood today..

I might feel different tomorrow, but as of right now, I dont feel sorry for her one bit...
 
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I'd be fine with having her teach my children. Obviously she cares about her children and their quality of education.

ETA: What about states with felony speeding charges? Does anybody here know a person who has never speeded in their life? Do you think a felony speeding charge makes someone unfit to be a teacher?

Certain crimes are really nasty, and I definitely wouldn't want someone who committed them running a classroom. But the world isn't black and white. Neither is every situation.
*raises hand* OHOHOH!!!IDOIDOIDO!!!OHOHOH!!!IDOIDO!!! . . . .

My mother :eek:

As for the rest of the post, I completely concur. Excellent points, especially the one about obviously caring about the quality of education available to her child.
 

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I don't know if it's a plus in the "she'd make an excellent teacher!" column that she's willing to file fraudulent paperwork - including encouraging somebody to file fraudulent court documents - though.
 
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I'm not big pure obedience ;) but Romy didn't say she'd make an excellent teacher, just that she wouldn't have a problem with her being a teacher.

I daresay if you excluded anyone who had ever lied about something that someone else considered substantive from teaching there wouldn't be any teachers.
 

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Filing false documents, including court documents, isn't "lying." This is not "Timmy broke the vase!" when she did it. This is knowingly committing fraud.
 
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The judge was very lenient with her and she was lucky the jury hung on the grand theft charges. It looks like she had an opportunity to take a plea and chose to take her chances in a trial, though I might not have all the details correct.

Woman gets jail time in school residency case

She has done a lot right in her life, so I hope she can overcome this series of mistakes.
 

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If you do something illegal and get caught, tough titty.

Whether you agree with the outcome or not is kind if irrelevant. If she wanted to cheat the law and not get caught she should have been more clever.

As my gran says - if you can't be good, be careful.

No sympathy for her at all.
 

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