Michael Vick & animal planet
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It realy was!! I must warn you that they do show videos of actual fights, so if you think you can't watch these videos I sugest to look away wile they are playing them
John was watching it with me and he just felt too bad to watch the fights, specialy b/c we own pit bulls so I think we took it more personal.
John was watching it with me and he just felt too bad to watch the fights, specialy b/c we own pit bulls so I think we took it more personal.
I watched it. IMO they showed too many clips of dogs fighting. I think they could have gotten the point across with just a few clips. I did like that they talked about how pit bulls were considered the greatest family dogs back in the day, and I liked how they brought up the temperament test stats (pit bulls do very well on TTs). I did NOT like how they had a guy from HSUS and a guy from PeTA on there making statements. HSUS and PeTA BOTH wanted those dogs KILLED. Hypocrites. When they were on I was yelling at my TV to shut up.
I do wish that they had mentioned that break sticks are a good tool for any dog owner to have around in case of a dog fight, but oh well.
I do wish that they had mentioned that break sticks are a good tool for any dog owner to have around in case of a dog fight, but oh well.
I just want to see the truth. I want the truth, that these dogs are wonderful human companions and love their humans despite if they were ever fought or not, to be talked about. I don't want to people to omit the fact that DA runs in the breed and I sure as hell don't want people sugarcoating about how great all the dogs are with other dogs and how none were DA (well, except for the poor dog that got killed because it didn't play all nicey with other dogs). And don't think I didn't read the part at the end about how the rest went to a sanctuary. Yeah, they'll go live the rest of their lives in yet another concrete kennel with little human interaction and every so often a worker will try yet again to force 2 dogs to live in peace and harmony in the same kennel and yet again that worker will express "sadness" and "dismay" that the dogs keep fighting one another (yes, this is happening at Best Friends). IMO it's no worse for dogs to be getting into "accidental" fights vs. staged ones. A fight is a fight.
Goodwin can go jump off a cliff for all I care. He is no more reputable than Vick and I cannot believe that people still allow him to speak on national television. He's hardly ever allowed to be on the prosecutions side in the first place as it seems convicted terrorists are an easy target for the defense.
And again, it's not a "miracle" that these dogs turned out to be wonderful dogs. Anyone who knows the APBT and anyone who owns and loves these breeds know that this is just because of their innate temperament. It has nothing to do with the doings of all these "experts."
And one thing I would personally like to know is how many dogs were pushed to the side in order to take in the Vick dogs. I know that a few shelters & rescues out there actually euthanized some of their dogs to take in Katrina dogs. And that's a disgusting act to me. Just because a famous or infamous dog goes up for the having doesn't mean a non-famous/infamous should have to die. It doesn't matter if the dogs came from Vick's yard, Bill Clinton's yard, or the drug dealing prostitute down the street, they should all be equal in terms of being given a chance.
Goodwin can go jump off a cliff for all I care. He is no more reputable than Vick and I cannot believe that people still allow him to speak on national television. He's hardly ever allowed to be on the prosecutions side in the first place as it seems convicted terrorists are an easy target for the defense.
And again, it's not a "miracle" that these dogs turned out to be wonderful dogs. Anyone who knows the APBT and anyone who owns and loves these breeds know that this is just because of their innate temperament. It has nothing to do with the doings of all these "experts."
And one thing I would personally like to know is how many dogs were pushed to the side in order to take in the Vick dogs. I know that a few shelters & rescues out there actually euthanized some of their dogs to take in Katrina dogs. And that's a disgusting act to me. Just because a famous or infamous dog goes up for the having doesn't mean a non-famous/infamous should have to die. It doesn't matter if the dogs came from Vick's yard, Bill Clinton's yard, or the drug dealing prostitute down the street, they should all be equal in terms of being given a chance.
It was at the end when they were showcasing how BadRap pulled the dogs and transported them back to CA.
I don't have an issue with them saying that "some of these dogs have no problems with other dogs." My issues comes with the fact that they had a great opportunity to explain DA and how it can be handled/managed and how it has nothing to do with HA and yet they conveniently left it all out.
I talked to my neighbor, whom is what we both consider a "casual pit bull owner." I asked him last night what he thought of it and how he took certain aspects of the show and he stated that if he truly didn't know better, he would believe that "pit bulls" are not DA and they can get along all wonderful in a pack with no problems whatsoever. He even mentioned he's afraid that the show will have a bunch of "bleeding heart" yet somewhat uneducated/ignorant people running out to adopt a pit bull now. These dogs do need to be given a chance, but they also need the right owners.
I don't have an issue with them saying that "some of these dogs have no problems with other dogs." My issues comes with the fact that they had a great opportunity to explain DA and how it can be handled/managed and how it has nothing to do with HA and yet they conveniently left it all out.
I talked to my neighbor, whom is what we both consider a "casual pit bull owner." I asked him last night what he thought of it and how he took certain aspects of the show and he stated that if he truly didn't know better, he would believe that "pit bulls" are not DA and they can get along all wonderful in a pack with no problems whatsoever. He even mentioned he's afraid that the show will have a bunch of "bleeding heart" yet somewhat uneducated/ignorant people running out to adopt a pit bull now. These dogs do need to be given a chance, but they also need the right owners.
i am so utterly and overwhelmingly frustrated lately by the flurry of pro-pit bull bloggers who are absolutely adamant that pit bulls are not inherently dog aggressive. there is no genetic proof that aggression is heritable! blah blah blah. you cannot breed for aggression! pit bulls aren't *really* dog aggressive as a breed, because i've met 87 and none of them were!
it frustrates the hell out of me because good dogs die for no reason in the hands of people like that and the people who believe them.
what is so freaking bad and wrong about pit bulls being more prone to dog aggression than many other breeds? no, there's probably not one single aggression gene, but aggression is a complex mechanism that doesn't occur in a void, so that's no big surprise. but i'm sorry, it may be "just lore" but if all dogs were created equal, why aren't the dog fighters fighting, say, malamutes?
it frustrates the hell out of me because good dogs die for no reason in the hands of people like that and the people who believe them.
what is so freaking bad and wrong about pit bulls being more prone to dog aggression than many other breeds? no, there's probably not one single aggression gene, but aggression is a complex mechanism that doesn't occur in a void, so that's no big surprise. but i'm sorry, it may be "just lore" but if all dogs were created equal, why aren't the dog fighters fighting, say, malamutes?
I watched it and they didn't say ANYTHING about pit bulls not being DA, but they didn't mention that they could which I thought they should have added. Otherwise, good pit bull press, in my opinion.
Here's a link to the entire show: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhFxCj0o0F9UL8s077
Could it be that they were surprised, not because pitties are DA, but because these dogs were TRAINED to attack other dogs? That's how I'd have interpreted that, even with my belief that pitties are somewhat more inclined to be DA than other breeds. If I'd been in their place, I'd be SHOCKED that they weren't DA, honestly.
I'm the same way about shows on tv, but I posted a link so you can watch the whole show, it's in my thread above. I just watched it this morning.
It was heavily edited, BR is very pro-teaching the public about DA. Though, since media folks are prone to just throw out that word "agression" my guess is that they're pretty careful about how they use it, lest things get edited incorrectly (all of a sudden, "It's normal for pit bull to show some level of dog aggression," becomes, "It's normal for pit bulls to show... aggression."). It's happened NUMEROUS times before.
It was heavily edited, BR is very pro-teaching the public about DA. Though, since media folks are prone to just throw out that word "agression" my guess is that they're pretty careful about how they use it, lest things get edited incorrectly (all of a sudden, "It's normal for pit bull to show some level of dog aggression," becomes, "It's normal for pit bulls to show... aggression."). It's happened NUMEROUS times before.