Made a new vid of my little helper

[Todax69]

I went ahead and made a better video of Bane at work doing some of his daily chores. I intend to use this to get some small in-home training jobs to help make ends meet until I get back to my regular job. Think it'll work?
You should note that a very important aspect of "doing chores" around the house is to maintain the level of bite. You can see this in action (only the training aspect of it) when I wrap my hand in a thin rag. The idea is to get them to grip only as hard as necessary for the task. I've had trainers call me on this practice out of fear that he might go nuts someday, but not one time has Bane ever drawn blood either during this training or during our extreme bouts of play. BTW, take the rag off and there's no further teething on a bare hand. (Except during my invoked playtime which I refuse to give up.)
Would love to hear some feedback.

*edited link at posters request*

 

[Todax69]

I was just made aware that my video is in bad taste in another forum. Can anyone tell me how I can remove it before offending anyone else?

 

[FoxyWench]

personally i dont agree with teeth on skin in play EVER...
its just my personal preference...

but otherwise i dont see how the vid was "in bad taste" i think its a great display by a very smart and well trained dog.

however if you wish to remove the vid just go to your youtube account, there should be an option when in the account to remove the video.

 

[Todax69]

Actually, I only want to remove the post.

I've been out of work for four months after paying my fair share to save the banks and credit card companies. I need the vid to show perspective clients, but don't wish to further offend anyone.
The rough play is my favorite thing about Bane. I know very well how to keep it in check. Hell, if he pinches a little too hard, he even stops and licks the area to say he's sorry. Granted, this would be unsafe for most people/dogs, but I cherish the wrestling we do and only put it in the vid to show how well bite control works.
Is there a way to remove the post? Thanx

 

[noodlerubyallie]

I'm glad to see you have pants on this time.

IMO, teaching a dog to bite your hand is asking for trouble.

 

[Todax69]

Once again...

showing bite control, not biting. Bane has never drawn a drop of blood.
Still looking for someone to help me remove my posts. Would they go away if I just quit the forum?

 

[lizzybeth727]

You'll have to PM a mod to remove the thread.

The rough play doesn't bother me, personally, I think it's one way to work on bite inhibition.

IMO, though, if you're looking for a promotional video to show off your training skills, this is probably not going to do it. Most people won't understand what they're seeing, the control the dog is showing while you are playing rough with him, and they'll just see a dog that plays rough and is mouthy.... exactly what most people DON't want. Instead you could make a video that focuses on his obedience skills - loose leash walking, recall with distractions, stay, leave it, that sort of thing. The retrieve is lovely, but again, most people don't care about that, they'd rather have their dog walk nicely on a leash and show some obedience skills.

Good luck!

 

[ACooper]

Todax, I can edit your link and remove it if that is your wish..........but if you'd like the video itself removed from youtube, you should be able to do that through your account with them

 

[bubbatd]

I'm torn on this ...I'd rather see this type of training focused to training therapy dogs . A friend of mine took on pups to train and though sad when she had to give them up , it way so rewarding .

 

[ACooper]

I also wanted to say that the type of playing you are doing with Bane is nothing out of the ordinary IMO.......Orson plays that way with my husband and oldest son ALL THE TIME. He has never once hurt either of them, either accidentally or on purpose, LOL. It's the way THEY have played (and encouraged HIM to play) with him since he was little. Orson doesn't play that way with ME or the other kids because he was never encouraged to do so with us.

I don't find it offensive in the least and think it's a little odd for it to "offend" someone, LOL

 

[Todax69]

Sorry, fell asleep last night to SNL.

Thanx Lizzy. Actually I'm working on helping convert pets into helper dogs for those in need but can't afford thousands to pay for it. You know, the elders and ill, or even the people that have trouble picking things up off the floor. Even before sending someone to the vid, I do tell them what they are going to see and why, especially how important bite control is to assistance dogs. Most people that are good at training assistance dogs use some method to establish the necessity of bite control, this is mine. Most people teach their dogs to never bite anything, but in assistance that is exactly what you need. Bane and the other three dogs I have trained this way catch on very quickly and so far haven't chewed up one tool they were taught to retrieve, nor ever hurt anyone.

Bub - that's close on therapy, but more for assistance. I've thought about the outright selling of helper dogs, but it would cost hundreds for the training, but thousands to make me give them up. I'm not sure I could do that.

And ACooper (hope I'm not related to you), yes, I think it would be best to remove the link. Perhaps any links I have as well. I need the video more than I need a forum I guess.

Saw your second post and I’m really glad that someone understands how Dobes really love to play. Knowing when and how hard to bite is the whole reason for bite control teaching. Bane is so good at it as a matter of fact that he can bring a 240 lb. man to the ground without ever inflicting a bite. It’s been real, thanx for your help.

 

[FoxyWench]

personally i have no problem with wrestling, rough huoseing ect...
and again im not sure how it would be considered offensive...
i also agree bite control (especilaly in dogs being used to pick items up ect) is important...

i do it a different way, but obviously this way works for you.

 

[lizzybeth727]

Most people that are good at training assistance dogs use some method to establish the necessity of bite control, this is mine. Most people teach their dogs to never bite anything, but in assistance that is exactly what you need. Bane and the other three dogs I have trained this way catch on very quickly and so far haven't chewed up one tool they were taught to retrieve, nor ever hurt anyone.

I train service dogs professionally, and have taught dozens of service dogs to retrieve - not to mention my own dog and several of my friends' dogs. I have never used the method in your video with any of the dogs, and I still manage to teach the dogs not to chew on retrieve objects. I'm not saying that your method is wrong or would not work, but I'm just trying to point out that there are other ways of doing this that might not look offensive to potential clients.

 

[Todax69]

First, I sort of thought this thread would

have gone away by now, whatever. Granted, there are many different ways to teach proper bite and I have used three of them. None were nearly as fast or effective as the rag on the hand. The added plus to that method is two fold, as far as the way I teach anyway. First, when you have a very nippy pup, when the rag comes off there is no further biting allowed. They seem to understand this extremely fast. And second is the tell - you really know they get it when they pick up the rag and try to put it in your hand to continue the play they would prefer.
And since I send potential clients to the site myself, I explain everything they'll see before hand, especially my way of bite control. The hard play time at the end is only to prove to on-lookers how very effective the control is learned. The odd thing is that several people have come back saying, "I wish I could get my dog to play that hard, but he bites."
Either way, since I only do a one-on-one training session, all of the people so far have come back very enthused and not one has worried about aggressive behavior. And if I lose someone for that, they probably wouldn't understand the rest of the training anyways. No loss there. You can't be everything to everybody.