Maddy with the buns *cute pics*

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My first thought was how impressed I was at how totally relaxed Maddy is with the rabbits :)

I wondered about Kharma with my mom's cat -- her breed has hunted big cats for hundreds of years, after all and she's had hard prey drive from the time she was a baby -- but if anything, she's a little wary of Gracie, knowing that Gracie can get by with murder, lol.

Now, cats that don't belong here? WHOLE 'nother story.

So, it can happen :) Best rule to keep hard and fast is to know your dog, like Sarah obviously does, and just be aware that things can change.
 

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Thanks to those who have supported me, honestly, I should take a video of them bouncing about the living room and show Maddy sleeping around the corner :p even from day one when she got home and met them she ignored them :)

And also, see how at ease the bunnies are? They are comfortable around her, and bunnies know when they are in danger because they flatten themselves down and stamp their feet.

They both love all small dogs and cats too, except one cat from next door as he attacks dogs, so they have to chase him away :p
 

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BUNNIES!! lol the dog is cute too, don't get me wrong..

but OMG BUNNIES!!! <3 <3 <3
 

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Im my experiance a dog with Prey drive can be trained to leave animals like bunnies alone with lots of training. My terriers pretty much leave my brothers buns alone. The only thing we have to worry about is buns attacking Teagan lol. She hates Teagan.

Plus I am pretty sure that SarahH knows her dogs inside and out and what they are capable of and what she can and cannot do with her dogs.
This is so not true. I am not saying the OP does not know her dog, not at all. But if you have a dog with high prey drive you can't just 'train it out of them'. Now you can train them to some degree to ignore it. But never to the point of being 'safe'.

Even if you raise them with the prey animal. I speak from experience. Dekka and Snip were raised with a cat. They were fine for a long time. Then at about 1.5 Snip starts to watch Mr Wellington (the cat) with far more interest than I was comfortable with. I tried training him to ignore the cat etc. You could see him getting more intent as time went on. I rehomed Mr Wellington. Later Snip killed a couple of cats he found in the barn....

If you can just train it out, then your dog didn't have much drive. Its like saying you could train a working bred BC to have no interest in herding. You can modify the dog's behaviour, but you can't take away the innate wiring.

Now in this case it looks like Maddy has no prey drive so the buns and her are safe together. No amount of training would make Dekka safe with buns...
 

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Cute pics :) I love Maddy's color...


*wonders to self*

Cant people even post pics anymore without people running off at the fingers..
 

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This is so not true. I am not saying the OP does not know her dog, not at all. But if you have a dog with high prey drive you can't just 'train it out of them'. Now you can train them to some degree to ignore it. But never to the point of being 'safe'.

Even if you raise them with the prey animal. I speak from experience. Dekka and Snip were raised with a cat. They were fine for a long time. Then at about 1.5 Snip starts to watch Mr Wellington (the cat) with far more interest than I was comfortable with. I tried training him to ignore the cat etc. You could see him getting more intent as time went on. I rehomed Mr Wellington. Later Snip killed a couple of cats he found in the barn....

If you can just train it out, then your dog didn't have much drive. Its like saying you could train a working bred BC to have no interest in herding. You can modify the dog's behaviour, but you can't take away the innate wiring.

Now in this case it looks like Maddy has no prey drive so the buns and her are safe together. No amount of training would make Dekka safe with buns...
I agree, I should not of used the word "train out of them" what I should of said was to control the drive to a degree. With supervising and boundries. If that makes sense.

Like I said I would never leave my dogs alone with any kind of rodent. . I know that My dogs do have tons of prey drive. My Past westie Maddie had tons. She was our ratter and helped us keep our farm clear of rodents, but she was also gentle to our rodents. And would actually treat the guinea pigs like her babies. But would we leave them alone together NO NEVER!!

Now Teagan will chase Buns if given the chance. Yes, It has happened but she was raised around buns and I have taught Teags her boundries. One look from me will send her backing away from buns.

Casey is another story. He has prey drive, but its low. He will go after mice and other rodents outside but even when Buns got out of her cage outside Casey would not bat an eyelash. He is the only dog that I would trust with Buns but he is a fail Terrier. Would I leave then alone together NO. Now Teagan would chase her if she got loose from her outside pen.

It was a process to get Teagan used to my lovebird. And I consentrated teaching her just to ignore the bird. But would I leave then alone together NO. I am pretty sure Teags would take advantage of me not being there.

I've had lots of dogs that were great with pets, but if it was say a strange cat in our yard or a wild rabbit. Then thats another story.
 

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I wouldn't let Dekka near rodents with supervision. At least not rodents I care about. I could put her in a down stay, but all it would take was one moment of her lack of self control and it would be a dead rodent.

IMO if you have a high drive dog you shouldn't take a chance. I don't let Dekka off leash around cats anymore either. Its just not worth the risk.

I am sure Bounce and Dash could learn not to eat pet bunnies. Though never be left alone with them. (they catch and eat wild ones) But they have far less drive than the JRTs.
 

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Oh and are they litter box trained? I've always wondered that about free range rabbits

do they just hop around the house or do they have like..tiny crates? lol they are just too cute
 

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To most dogs, there is a big difference between prey running away from them and "prey" sitting still on the sofa.
Adorable pics Sarah!
 
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Love the spotted bunny! I had a himalayan and a dutch rabbit when I was a kid, but I would love a nice fluffy lop eared bunny now.
 

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That is adorable!!


And some dogs are born without prey drive, which is what Sarahhounds said. Which means she doesn't have prey drive so the bunnies are safe. I'm sure she knows her dog, and I think its awesome she can trust them like that.
 

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Maddy is soooo sweet and patient. :) I wanna steal her. I love Islay's poofy fro!

I agree that prey drive can turn on AT ANY TIME... I know Sibes who have killed the small dogs that they grew up with, when left alone together, and Greys who have killed cats that they had never shown interest in. I always freak out when people at my work try to bring a "shy" Greyhound into small dog group... or I see them in small dog side at the dog park. You cannot underestimate prey drive. Of course, if you know your dog and supervise closely (as in being close enough to step in), that's a totally different matter.
 

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I LOVE Maddy - she reminds me so bad of Liz and they aren't even remotely the same kind of hound lol.

Also, re: the bunnies - Daisy was also a failed rabbit hunter; she & Rebel (my English spot) were best friends. Come to think of it I had a beagle/terrier foster who was TERRIFIED of Rebel... he was a little odd though. And kind of mean. More than one ex-boyfriend has a scar (one has a scar on his eyebrow !)
 

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Oh and are they litter box trained? I've always wondered that about free range rabbits

do they just hop around the house or do they have like..tiny crates? lol they are just too cute
They actually have their own outbuilding, it used to be an old storage shed, its 12ft x 9ft, and they have a hutch with the door always open in there. So their are litter trained, they have a huge tray in the hutch, and just hop in to do their business.

They come in the hosue quite regularly though, just for playtime. It's not good for bunnies to change temps too often, but as my house is cold, its not too bad.

Lots of people do have dog crates for bunny housing though, they are really useful :)
 

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