Lord Have Mercy on the little children

smkie

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Today i am on the phone with the nurse from my clinic when i look out the door and there is this little boy and his puppy in my yard. I am three houses down and around the corner from his house. If you have been a member awhile you may remember the saga of Onyx, their black labrador that got out and caused me great grief.
I hurdled up the puppy when i realized he had no collar on. They had lost this dog previously and got him back but have yet to take their lost dog signs down..:rolleyes: So after i got Victor's collar off and on the pup along with a leash i had to hunt the child down, i am been calling him to come here but he had run around the house. I found him further down the block. He is a cute little feller too, kept saying as we walked home together THAT's MY HOUSE like i don't know. I have taken him and this puppy home once before THIS WEEK. ANd i have stopped repeatedly to tell the mother that her 5 year old twins are out in the road on their hotcycles. Have told Father as well. So i tell him go get your mama when we get to the front door. SHe comes out and gets the dog and the boy. As i make it to the street and about a house down i hear SLAP SLAP SLAP shriek SLAP and on for between 10 adn 15 times..maybe more. IT was bare skin slaps too, loud. I went back and knocked on the door. When she came out i beckoned her down the sidewalk and out of the ear shot of her other children. I told her if i had known that she was going to beat her child i would have just called the police instead. IF i know that is what is going to happen i will do that from now on. I told her she taught him nothing other then when his dog is out, make sure he doesn't come to my house...he was running out the door when i left, i wonder why. 5 do things..they don't think, that is why why why you have to watch them all the time.
I am just sick to my stomach. I went to mom's and asked her if she thought it abuse, she use to be quite a spanker, i know for i got quite a few of them. I am not. Either way bare skin slaps of that caliber are out of line. SHe the Mother is the one that deserved the slapping. Omg i am just sick. I saw Dad out when i came back from GG so i stopped and told him what had happened, where i stood and for the umpteenth time told him he has GOT TO GET A FENCE! it wouldn't cost a thousand to put across the front, the rest of the yard is enclosed. THey adopted this german shepard puppy, i don't know how much they paid for it, but when the woman came to my house asking if i had seen her dog, she said they just paid over 300 for vet bills. :mad: :mad: Twice i have taken that dog home in the last week.
 

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Dad says he believes in spanking his children but he said that sounded a bit extreme..i just hugged Hyia when i got over there and thanked the heavens above that she has never been hit by anyone especially the ones that she should be able to trust NOT to hurt her.
 

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Frankly? I would call social services. This should not tolerated, and you don't let a 5 year old run free in the street...
 

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That is what i Kelly just said i finished calling her to ask her opinion right before i came back to chaz. I will call in the morning.
 

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Sorry... I spanked all three of mine when it was neccessary.... no, I didn't beat them . I remember one time when my son said he was too old to be spanked... I told him as long as he did such stupid childish things, he would be spanked. Yes, I always said " this hurts me more than it hurts you "...We didn't do " time outs " over 40 years ago. We always talked things over when things settled down. Of course it didn't help ( or maybe it did ) to know 2 other kids had their ears to the door wanting to know if I did spank. Whew !!! I'm glad they're grown !
 

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15 bare skin slaps that could be heard one house down from the street grammy? my mom says you ll get your neighbors mad at you..i said do i wait until i hear an amber alert or a car screech and thud? which is more important..mom.
 

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Spanking is a very touchy subject in society today. I for one am a firm believer in discipline. That is a totally different thing than abuse. My kids are loved, spoiled, and very active and energetic. But, they have recieved a pat on the bottom before. Not skin to skin. Enough to make them think, but not even to make them cry.

I had a grandmother who use to smack me on the leg with a spoon when I was out of line. Was I considered to be abused because of that? No, and, I am a well adjusted female.

I understand how frustrating and how dangerous it is for her to allow her child to roam unsupervised. Especially in today's day and age. Maybe she had no idea the child was outside, maybe she did. Whatever the circumstances, I hope that she finds the help she needs. Good thing you were there to care for her child and pet. It's a shame when that happens!! ;)
 

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if the getting out was the first time.then yeah, i don't think there is a parent on here that hasn't had a one time escapade they could write about. THis is a different story. Twice this week, last time she looked like she had been asleep. the hotwheels in the road i have told them again and again that when they come out between those parked cars they cant be seen..especially low to the ground like that. i cant count the times i have said where is your mama..go get your mama..i am not leaving until i see a grown up. The onyx saga left me losing sleep before it was over. I sent her to the pound once and about died,...but she was trying to eat mary and Vic alive. In fact mary has a tooth mark in her neck right now from their run in earlier this week. This time tho Onyx was on the leash and they were walking her back home (she had gotten out) and Mary was the one to attack. No one blamed her in the least. Onyx had run onto our property aiming for Vic who was on the line when Mary saved him receiving two tooth holes in her ear. I will be patient when it comes to dogs.i have returned onyx umpteen times..but a child is a different story. Next time i will call 911. This woman has no idea that the child is even missing either time. In this sick world and the area i live in is very populated..it is just too dangerous to worry about their feelings.
 

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For one thing, what was her child doing running the streets? He should have been under adult supervision, that is Mom and dads fault, not the kid. I would have to call child services, and you know, if she is abusing her child, she is going to abuse the dog also. She needs help.
I did spank my son a few times when he was little, but only because he had done something very wrong. It was not on bare skin and it wasn't hitting or slapping repeatedly. There is a difference.
 

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would you consider what i heard teaching or anger buckshot..loud hard slaps heard from more then 500 feet away thru an open door and window. That was a beating in my book and he is only a little little guy. THAT'S MY HOUTH keeps running thru my head. I am so mad:mad: :mad: :mad: nash size Grammy that is how little he is..:(
 
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smkie said:
would you consider what i heard teaching or anger buckshot..loud hard slaps heard from more then 500 feet away thru an open door and window. That was a beating in my book and he is only a little little guy. THAT'S MY HOUTH keeps running thru my head. I am so mad:mad: :mad: :mad: nash size Grammy that is how little he is..:(
Sounded to me like she was venting her frustrations on her child. That isnt dicipline.
 

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Sounded to me like she was venting her frustrations on her child. That isnt dicipline.
Sounds like that to me too. Just reading this thread makes my stomach turn but i keep coming back.
 

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I agree... I never spanked out of frustration. The child was sent to his/her room and knew I would be up. Yes, I did do bare bottom. Pulling down their pants and going over my knee was part of the whole scene . ( Their action ) No, none were young enough to not to be able to understand . The most spanks could have been three. Mostly one would do . It was the " issue ", not punishment . Ask all three... they remember me as as a " Mommy Dearest " How did they turn out..... beautifully ! Would I do it to Nash ?? No way !!! That's up to his parents.!!! First he's too young and second when he does something I feel " wrong " I just get " sad" with him and pretend to cry. Soon he's all over me and kisses and says " I'm sorry GaGa"
 

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I was spanked. So was my husband. I don't have a problem with spanking.

But 15 spanks? That is waaaay out of line. And I agree, that was venting frustration. Discipline should never be given out of anger.
 

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my standing on hitting is no.. period... ever... for any reason... a child.:mad: i can say a thousand different reasons but in my heart i feel it is absolutely wrong and that is enough for me. That is the one thing i have learned from my life and i will never ever hit a child or a puppy for exactly the same reasons. I will not teach with fear but with trust. Works for my dogs, works for Hyia too. I don't want to be feared and that in my opinion is the only thing spanking teaches. IF it was working for these parents their children would not be out in the street again and again. I wanted to scream that at the dad but i did the calm thing instead. Spanking is not the issue here, a child out unobserved by anyone that loved him is the issue. I could have been some sicko that yanked him into my house instead of leashing the puppy and taking him home. Who is in the wrong here..the child or the parents..who should have had the punishment, a child that is no more awares of what he is doing then a two or three month old pup. That's MY HOUTH should tell you that. He was slapped by his mother over 10 times..i want to say twenty but i didn't count, all i can say is it went on and on and on the whole time it took me to walk back. IF that doesn't make your stomach squirm then i don't know about humanity i really dont. HE is a twin to boot. How many of you would have two little boys out in the driveway on their hotwheels and NOT be watching them? I dont approve of grownups hitting grownups but the only way i would have respect for this woman is if she went in and SLAPPED HERSELF for that. Would have done a heck of a lot more good then hitting her baby. God i hate violence of all forms but this one the most. My guess is those slaps left bruises.
 

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Smacking a hand is fine a bottom only if they really REALLY deserve it. My just enough to scare them but not to really truly hurt them.

Up until 4 years ago my mom was a heavy drunk my dad up until last year was a heavy everything. I was raised in a a abusive home to where a "spanking" left bruises or welts almost always from my dad. Getting slammed up against a wall was a normal thing. Getting kicked was normal and hair pulling was normal. Mind you most of this was from my father mom would only slap us.

Things are very different now and I still love both my parents more then words could express because well their my parents. I havent had a hand raised to me by my mom for years my dad is a different story but its not like it used to be. But when I do hear about things like this it does bother me.
 

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Smkie... I don't think you got my point. Yes, that mother was wrong on all counts. No , I didn't every hit my dogs, they can't understand. Yes, I did spank my kids, not hit them. There's a diffence ... at least 40 years ago. I can remember over 50 years ago what being sent to the principal's office meant.... a strapping .....I never wanted to be sent , so made sure I did nothing that would send me there. Do you really think kids are better today with no punishment ??? Yes, that mother was wrong , but don't knock good guidelines .
 

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