Looking for smaller sport-dog suggestions

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  1. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    This is all the distant future, but I know that once the bulldogs are gone, I want a smaller dog. A height dog for flyball.

    Under 15" but not tiny
    Very athletic
    Lots of drive
    The type of dog who is going to want to play games with me
    I'm kind of over the whole terrier thing
    I can only cope with so much barking
    I can only cope with so much fur

    Breeds I've considered
    Staffy - meh on the bulldog/terrier thing at the moment
    JRTs - again, terrierness
    Mudi - spendy and seizures
    PyrShep - maybe bigger than I want? BARKY
    flyball mix - so much variety and hard to get one from a breeder I'd want to get one from, but maybe. Variable in the prey drive department and the terrierness department.
    Miniature Poodle - probably not enough drive to make me happy, but they're still shortlisted and I have my eye on a breeder (songbird) who has produced OTCh and MACH dogs
    Bedlington - this is based solely on one dog in our agility class who is freaking AWESOME and I love him. I have no idea how he is as a representative of the breed. I think they're kind of funny looking but I could get over this.

    Thoughts? Suggestions? Corrections to my vibes on the above breeds?
     
  2. colliewog

    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    I know you said you're over the terriers, but how about a Rat Terrier? Terrier enough to work, but most aren't a problem with DA .... and they are getting quite popular in agility ... plus you can do terrier racing and stuff too ... :)

    Also, I love Border Terriers, but they're harder to find.
     
  3. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    I wouldn't think the RT would be drivey enough if most poodles aren't. I have met some and they are lovely dogs, but not oozing drive. (a dog doesn't need a ton of drive to do well in agility)

    I say JRT ;) If you were careful you could get one that does well in group settings. Kaiden would have made a kick butt height dog. He is almost 13.5 inches tall, fast and great with people and other dogs. Not all lines are DR/DA.
     
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    Renee750il Felurian

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    You need a mini-Luce ;)

    Or a Boom.
     
  5. Beanie

    Beanie Clicker Cult Coordinator

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    Hmm... too much fur/potential for too much barking with a sheltie? You've done the BC thing, if you went with the right breeder I think you could absolutely get a sheltie that is sporty and drivey enough for you. Auggie's brother pretty frequently has the fastest YPS out of all dogs in any height including the border collies. He's a **** good dog and knows what to do with sheep too. But finding the right breeder is the trick. Ultimately I made a grab for Payton because I knew how hard it would be to find other lines that I loved as much as his...
    Also getting one under 15" is a bit of a gamble. Auggie is a bit under 14, Pepper is right around 14.5 I think, and we're hoping Payton stays right around 15, hopefully not 15.5 or bigger. You could go for dogs that traditionally throw smaller, but it's always a gamble.
    Might be more trouble than it's worth to find just the right one if you aren't absolutely gaga over the breed.

    I like PyrShep's but they are bigger than shelties... AKC says 15-20 inches.
    Corgi not quite athletic enough for you?
     
  6. Kat09Tails

    Kat09Tails *Now with Snark*

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    Papillon.... you know you wanna! They really aren't much hair to deal with being single coated. I only comb mine maybe every other week right now.
     
  7. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    I'm not so concerned with the DR/DA stuff as the generalized terrier prey-drive murder cats in the backyard stuff.
     
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    I had a Bedlington for 15 years, although he was never a sport dog and just a pet. There are also three or four in the area I've seen at trials and classes.

    You've had a poodle before if I remember correctly, so I will skip the "oh dear god the grooming" speech - it is what will keep me from ever owning another.

    I'd be a bit surprised to see one with the kind of drive for toys I see in flyball dogs. Medley was never super into toys, and the Bedlingtons I see at agility trials are far from "high drive, go go" dogs. Granted, I know how much of that is training. I admit, it just surprises me to see them on a list of flyball prospects.

    I'd also be shocked to see one under 15". That seemed really small to me, and so I glanced at the standard and yes - under 15" is specifically listed as a severe fault.

    I like the breed as well as I like most terriers; the digging and the small animal killing, along with the grooming, are my big turn offs for Bedlingtons.

    Are you specifically looking for a breeder dog? The only reason I ask is that I've seen quite a collection of drivey small dogs come through rescue over the years. I suspect most if not all have some terrier in them, but I think if you are willing to do a young adult especially, you can get a lot of very cool sport dogs who someone got as a small pet and went "Oh my lord what did I get" when they realized how high energy they were.
     
  9. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    Shelties have just never appealed to me. At all. Too hairy, too barky, too... I don't know. Something in their expression I guess just turns me off. There are a ton of nice-running shelties at my training club, but I just don't care for 'em.

    Same with Corgis- I just don't care for 'em.
     
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    As I was typing, you mentioned that the cat issue is your big concern with terriers. Medley did live quite peacefully with our cat - who was older than him, weighed 23 pounds, and could take him down like a gorilla going after a fly. We never once had an issue with Medley where I was concerned about any cat's safety with him, even when they wandered in the yard (invisible fence). He did kill squirrels, chipmunks, moles, and skunks with incredible frequency.
     
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    lizzybeth727 New Member

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    I was actually thinking mini aussie. :) They're not uncommon in rescues around here, I think they're becomming more popular so more are in rescues. :rolleyes: I've met several REALLY cool little minis in agility.
     
  12. elegy

    elegy overdogged

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    I don't know what his toy drive is like, I just know that he's rocking the place as an agility dog (not the skills so much as the enthusiasm and spark). Like I said- no clue if he's representative of the breed or just an individual who is really appealing.

    I'm not married to the idea of a breeder, but small dogs are few and far between in the shelter around here, I don't have a ton of interest in jumping through the nine thousand hoops of a rescue, and I don't know that I'd feel comfortable evaluating a potential sport dog in a shelter. If I go to someone breeding dogs for sport, I feel like I have a much better chance of getting what I want.
     
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    I almost put them on the list. The thing is, I'm not wild about regular Aussies, and I don't know how the minis compare, as I've not had contact with many of them.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    I need to come up with my giant papillon already... If it weren't for the size being so small, they'd fit. You could try to find an oversized one though or a mix. I think you'd enjoy a Mia.

    Sheltie was my other thought.

    Pyr sheps can be quite a bit bigger but they seem like a lot of fun.
     
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    MafiaPrincess Obvious trollsare Obvious

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    Kaiden is fine with cats.
     
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    elegy overdogged

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    I forgot Bostons for my list. But it would have to be a very special Boston. There are some out there, though.
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Bostons would have to be a very special dog indeed. All the ones at work, (and there are quite a few) have trouble breathing during hard exercise.
     
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    MericoX Roos, Poos, & a Wog!

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    You know my vote.... Miniature Poodle!!!

    He mostly lays around the house in a comfy nest until a toy comes out. Then he's turned on and flipping around the place (no toy drive at all). A bit of SA, has been known to climb out of xpens and jump out car windows to come find me.

    I cannot wait to get him out into agility. He took to it right away, though loved doing zoomies around the ring. As you know, not a froofroo dog. He's done a 6 mile MS awareness walk with me a few years back with no problem, came home and played for a few hours, then crashed. LOL

    As far as grooming, I keep both poodles short, with longer topknot and ears as a lot of brushing aggravates my tendinitis and then I can't use my arm. n_n
     
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    I probably suggest this too much but I think Silky Terriers are too unknown and uncommon and could really fit the bill for the stuff you wanted.
    Silkys in Performance

    I know Jackson is most likely just a BYB bred Yorkie but since I've researched so much about Silky's, they are great little dogs. I've spoken to over 10 breeders in the last year and a half and found out a lot. From my understanding, they are not as "terrier" as some terriers but still have enough in them. They are pretty versatile little dogs and excel in agility. STCA held its first agility event in 1997 and an 11 yr. old Silky was the winner.
    There's just one description. I don't know, I always like to throw the idea out there. :)

    Btw, Jackson is fine with cats, in that he has no intention to kill or anything. If all three dogs are together, yeah, they will chase them and "gang" up on them, but one-on-one, he is fine with the cats.

    But my first thought was definitely a Papillon.
     
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    I think PyrSheps and Mudi both tend to be a bit bigger than what is wanted for a Flyball height dog. And if PyrSheps are too barky for you, I think Mudi would definitely be. Mudi supposed to bark while working - if they are instinct tested and don't bark, they don't pass. There's also Pumi which can be awesome sport dogs but again, the size and barky level are that of a Mudi. If you haven't read this article about Mudi, it's pretty good!
    About CS and the Mudi Polona's

    Bedlintons are pretty cool but definitely terriers under the lamb-look. I have a friend has a Bedlington and she's had some typical terrier issues with her and other dogs, including same sex aggression towards a non-terrier she lives with. She likes her but I doubt she'll get another due to the terrier-ness of them. They also have a small gene pool and some pretty serious health concerns. Also may be too big?

    It seems this is why so many Flyball people go with sport mixes. Not many purebreds in the height dog category that have the sort of drive and biddablity most Flyball people want. I asked a Flyball friend about Mini Aussies a while ago and she said most are only so-so at Flyball, although they can be gret at agility. It's weird how that can be the case, as Shelties also seem to have a reputation for being only so-so at Flyball but great at agility.

    What about a Danish-Swedish Farmdog?
     

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