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Still sending vibes! I hope everything is going great and he is getting some useful observing done *crosses fingers*
 

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If you don't mind me asking, which vet behaviorist are you going to? I know there's one in Greensboro and if that's who you're going to, I'll be even more interested to see how it goes as I'm hoping to develop a working relationship with him once I move.
Dr. Gerrard Flannigan, at Carolina Veterinary Specialists.

Are you moving to Greensboro? :D

ok, the appointment should have come and gone by now... what did they say?!
It has...you were a wee bit early.

And...
I don't know anything more then I knew going in. :wall::wall::wall:
From a training/behavior aspect, I'm pretty much doing everything right.
From a medical aspect nothing really jumps out. He suggested looking into more/different pain meds.

He also suggested rechecking the thyroid in a few weeks to see if it's going to be consistently low. And he suggested getting muzzles for the two of them in order to work on their relationship further.
 

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Poop. =< That is not what I was hoping to hear at all. I mean, it's good to know you're doing everything right. But how frustrating. =<
 

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Why pain meds did I miss something?
He's had some arthritis for a few years.
Since nothing else medical is really looking likely and because the escalation in his aggression seems like there should be something medical, pain is really just a guess.

Basically it was "try pain meds and see if the behavior improves". :rolleyes:
 

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that sucks CP. I was so hoping for more constructive advice, though it is nice to hear you were doing everything right.
 

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I ditto Beanie's "poop" and also Dekka's "nice to hear you are doing right"

But how frustrating to know you are doing right without the desired results :( Perhaps more/better pain meds will help........I know I'm quite a bitch when I'm in pain, even to the point of needing a muzzle on some occasions!

*more get to the bottom of this vibes* coming your way.
 

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I'm sorry you didn't get any more insight. Your experience is exactly why I've been putting off taking Bailey to one. I was really hoping for a good outcome!

Did they refer to it as a "pain test" or anything like that?

I've heard of a few behaviorists (real ones) suggesting that, to see if it can be a rule out. Was there a suggested brand?
 

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Hey Cp, sorry that you get any new or great info from him. However, you may want to contact The Animal Behavioral Clinic at Tuff's University, Dr. N. Dodman heads it along with their behavioural research/studies. I know they do phone consults.

Lynn
 

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I'm sorry you didn't get any more insight. Your experience is exactly why I've been putting off taking Bailey to one. I was really hoping for a good outcome!

Did they refer to it as a "pain test" or anything like that?

I've heard of a few behaviorists (real ones) suggesting that, to see if it can be a rule out. Was there a suggested brand?
Well, the experience wasn't bad...he was more about behavior than medicine, but that may be because nothing medical stands out with Ares. He did discuss Ares' medical issues to try to see if the timing worked, but it doesn't really, except the incontinence, which doesn't appear to be anything more than weak spinchter... :wall:

"Pain test"?
Nope. I don't know what that would be.
He just suggested going back to our regular vet to discuss pain meds and possibly seeing a specialist for that. He also suggested maybe needing a neurologist for pain/hind end weakness. :rolleyes: This dog is going to have to get a job.

We know what's causing pain and hind end weakness. And the pain and weakness had been going on for some time prior to the increased aggression. But he's so stoic, I suppose it's possible that he's in more pain and just not letting me see it.

Maybe pain meds and then put him back in work? Never mind that it'll cripple him, he'll be so doped up he won't notice? :yikes:

Hey Cp, sorry that you get any new or great info from him. However, you may want to contact The Animal Behavioral Clinic at Tuff's University, Dr. N. Dodman heads it along with their behavioural research/studies. I know they do phone consults.

Lynn
Thanks, Lynn. I'll look into it.
 

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Ah yea that's the doctor I thought it might be. I'm moving to Winston-Salem in July (the 17th to be precise), I thought you might be in the area given a post a few days ago.

Sorry you don't have a lot more to go on than before. I know we saw a seemingly odd increase in tension between my oldest girl and the other dogs but found out a few weeks later that she had a UTI. Sounds like new pain meds might be worth looking into - "can't hurt, might help" when it comes to Ares behavior it sounds like. What about acupuncture?
 

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I asked the behavior specialist about acupuncture. He wasn't able to give a real answer. ;) My regular vet does do acupuncture though, so I'll definitely ask him about it. Or maybe just insist on trying it.
 

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Ah yea that's the doctor I thought it might be. I'm moving to Winston-Salem in July (the 17th to be precise), I thought you might be in the area given a post a few days ago.

Sorry you don't have a lot more to go on than before. I know we saw a seemingly odd increase in tension between my oldest girl and the other dogs but found out a few weeks later that she had a UTI. Sounds like new pain meds might be worth looking into - "can't hurt, might help" when it comes to Ares behavior it sounds like. What about acupuncture?
OT but: Yay you're moving to NC! More Chazzers in the area... I vote meetup...

CP: Your behaviorist sucks, I'm sorry *hugs* Hope something makes things work sooner rather than later though.
 

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Glad your seeking out acupuncture, maybe there would be something in diet that could help too. THe vet that did the seminar I went to talked about special diets to help calm, different herbs and such. Just an idea. Sorry your apt didn't pan out with more help. It must be so frustrating for all of you.
 
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CP: Your behaviorist sucks, I'm sorry *hugs*
Thank you.
I do think it's a bit premature to say he sucks. :p He has a good handle on behaviorism stuff, and for medical, it could be that it's not easy to diagnose. Ares never did do things the easy way.:rolleyes:


Glad your seeking out acupuncture, maybe there would be something in diet that could help too. THe vet that did the seminar I went to talked about special diets to help calm, different herbs and such. Just an idea. Sorry your apt didn't pan out with more help. It must be so frustrating for all of you.
Smkie, do you have info on the special diets and herbs?

And yea, I'm incredibly frustrated, and the crate/rotate/changes in routine is wearing on the dogs.
 

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I will see if I can find the info for you in the morning. I went in so skeptical when I attended this but I learned so much that helped Mary, ever since I have tried to keep an open mind. I had a terrible time rotating when I did it for 7 months. I know other people make it work, but for Bronki it was miserable. Especially since he was not the instigator and he knew it.
 

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