Jordan is having puppies

[Saeleofu]

They are Logan's half brothers and sister. Same mommy

 

[-bogart-]

what kind of activity level do collie need? I have always liked them , but did not want the hair.
now this board educated me that there where smooth one s, now i am even more intrigued.

does anyone of you collie peeps have some good info links?

thanks in advance!

 

[Spiritwind]

Wow they look really pretty.

But it looks like they can't be shown in the FCI?

I honestly have no idea if they could be shown in FCI or not. They are blue merles still... the rough in the photo I posted could be shown in AKC Rough open blue bitches with no problem.. smooth classes aren't divided up by color so that would be no issue for the smooth either...

 

[Sapphire-Light]

I honestly have no idea if they could be shown in FCI or not. They are blue merles still... the rough in the photo I posted could be shown in AKC Rough open blue bitches with no problem.. smooth classes aren't divided up by color so that would be no issue for the smooth either...

Thanks, Well I was wondering since I remember reading something about AKC having another color not allowed in FCI, this is the FCI standar

COLOUR :

Three recognized colours : Sable and white, Tricolour and Blue Merle.
• Sable : Any shade of light gold to rich mahogany or shaded sable.
Light straw or cream colour highly undesirable.
• Tricolour : Predominantly black with rich tan markings about legs and head. A rusty tinge in top coat highly undesirable.
• Blue Merle : Predominantly clear, silvery blue, splashed and marbled with black. Rich tan markings preferred, but absence should not be penalised. Large black markings, slate colour, or rusty tinge in top or undercoat are highly undesirable.
All colours above may carry typical white Collie markings to a greater or lesser degree. Following markings are favourable : white collar, full or part ; white front, legs and feet ; white tail tip. A blaze may be carried on muzzle or skull, or both. All white or predominantly white is most undesirable.

Color

The four recognized colors are "Sable and White," "Tri-color," "Blue Merle" and "White." There is no preference among them. The "Sable and White" is predominantly sable (a fawn sable color of varying shades from light gold to dark mahogany) with white markings usually on the chest, neck, legs, feet and the tip of the tail. A blaze may appear on the foreface or backskull or both. The "Tri-color" is predominantly black, carrying white markings as in a "Sable and White" and has tan shadings on and about the head and legs. The "Blue Merle" is a mottled or "marbled" color predominantly blue-grey and black with white markings as in the "Sable and White" and usually has tan shadings as in the "Tri-color." The "White" is predominantly white, preferably with sable, tri-color or blue merle markings.

 

[MericoX]

I could be wrong, but I think sable merles are either a) non registered, or b) just registered as sables.

Anywhoe.. is the harle boy comes up missing... don't look here for him LOL

 

[crazy_paws]

Awwww, I want the harle boy! They're all beautiful though.

 

[Spiritwind]

Thanks, Well I was wondering since I remember reading something about AKC having another color not allowed in FCI, this is the FCI standar

The fourth color recognized by AKC, and not FCI is "White" as in Color headed whites.

Me with Color headed white puppies - almost exactly 16 yrs ago, my first Collie (a pet) came from this litter, I was 12 yrs old.

I could be wrong, but I think sable merles are either a) non registered, or b) just registered as sables.

FCI doesn't recognize sable merles, and they are not allowed to be bred. In MOST FCI countries breedings of Sable to blue merle is not allowed, or if its allowed, none of the sables (sable or sable merle) can be registered. Just as breedings a Rough to a smooth is also not allowed....

In the AKC standard, Sable merles are not listed as an recognized color, but many are shown and finished with no problems. There has actually been a HUGE debate among the Collie Club of America members as to whether sable merles should be added to the standard, since people breed, show and finish them anyway. CKC (Canada) does recognize sable merles though.

 

[Sapphire-Light]

Ah! I didn't notice this part until now, so it appears they can't be show.

All colours above may carry typical white Collie markings to a greater or lesser degree. Following markings are favourable : white collar, full or part ; white front, legs and feet ; white tail tip. A blaze may be carried on muzzle or skull, or both. All white or predominantly white is most undesirable.

The "White" is predominantly white, preferably with sable, tri-color or blue merle markings.

 

[Spiritwind]

Ah! I didn't notice this part until now, so it appears they can't be show.

Genetically Harlequins are not white... and they are different from TRUE "Color Headed Whites" which is what the FCI is describing in this quote "All white or predominantly white is most undesirable." Totally different genes at work...

 

[Sapphire-Light]

The fourth color recognized by AKC, and not FCI is "White" as in Color headed whites.

Me with Color headed white puppies - almost exactly 16 yrs ago, my first Collie (a pet) came from this litter, I was 12 yrs old.



FCI doesn't recognize sable merles, and they are not allowed to be bred. In MOST FCI countries breedings of Sable to blue merle is not allowed, or if its allowed, none of the sables (sable or sable merle) can be registered. Just as breedings a Rough to a smooth is also not allowed....

In the AKC standard, Sable merles are not listed as an recognized color, but many are shown and finished with no problems. There has actually been a HUGE debate among the Collie Club of America members as to whether sable merles should be added to the standard, since people breed, show and finish them anyway. CKC (Canada) does recognize sable merles though.

Oh we posted at the same time XD

Thanks!! it makes it more clear. I remember seeing a rough with just the head colores like that in a movie , he was very pretty.

 

[Romy]

Yeah, Jordan's breeder said that the gene cropping up in her lines is different from the color headed white gene. Her dogs have a lot of flash anyway, so I guess once in a while they get one with extra.

It'll be awesome to see how he colors up as he grows. At first we couldn't tell if he was tri and white or merle and white, because there wasn't any obvious blue. Once he dried off though, it looked like there's a bit of blue in front of his ears.

Bogart, I've noticed they tend to be middle of the road as far as activity goes. Less than border collies or aussies, but more than a sight hound. Mental stimulation goes a long way with collies, they're one of those breeds that thrives on training, puzzles, and work. They're more independent than some of the other herders too, which is something I really like about them.

While I swore we'd never get a herding breed (they're not really my thing), I'll probably end up co-owning a Moxie collie some day. The smooth blue merle in this litter is going to be absolutely stunning when he's grown. I'm kicking myself for not being in the right situation for another dog now. lol.

Edit:

Oh! And Logan's brother Gomez is being returned to the breeder by the people who got him originally (the wife is having health problems). So she's looking for an excellent home for him.

 

[Sapphire-Light]

Genetically Harlequins are not white... and they are different from TRUE "Color Headed Whites" which is what the FCI is describing in this quote "All white or predominantly white is most undesirable." Totally different genes at work...

Yeah, Jordan's breeder said that the gene cropping up in her lines is different from the color headed white gene. Her dogs have a lot of flash anyway, so I guess once in a while they get one with extra.

It'll be awesome to see how he colors up as he grows. At first we couldn't tell if he was tri and white or merle and white, because there wasn't any obvious blue. Once he dried off though, it looked like there's a bit of blue in front of his ears.

Thanks! colors in dogs can be so confusing sometimes @-@

 

[lizzybeth727]

I can't wait to see that boy grow up, I think LizzyBeth should get him

I'd LOVE him, of course, but I think he's going to be rough and I don't want all that hair. I wouldn't turn down the smooth blue merle, though. *hint hint*

FCI doesn't recognize sable merles, and they are not allowed to be bred. In MOST FCI countries breedings of Sable to blue merle is not allowed, or if its allowed, none of the sables (sable or sable merle) can be registered. Just as breedings a Rough to a smooth is also not allowed....

In the AKC standard, Sable merles are not listed as an recognized color, but many are shown and finished with no problems. There has actually been a HUGE debate among the Collie Club of America members as to whether sable merles should be added to the standard, since people breed, show and finish them anyway. CKC (Canada) does recognize sable merles though.

I had no idea. Learn something new every day, eh?

Oh! And Logan's brother Gomez is being returned to the breeder by the people who got him originally (the wife is having health problems). So she's looking for an excellent home for him.

I think Logan's brother Amos is also available, isn't he?

 

[Saeleofu]

Wasn't Gomez going to be a hearing dog? or was that another one? or do I have no idea what I'm talking about xD

 

[Romy]

It was a different one that was going to be a hearing dog, but I can't remember who now (they're starting to become a blur, lol). Amos found a home with a really wonderful family. They've got a deposit on him and are going to bring him home in a month or two once they're settled into their new home. He LOVES them (they have children! yay!).

I think Moxie is going to hold onto the harlequin for a while and keep him if he turns out nice. Otherwise she was talking about placing him in a 4H home.

 

[moxiecollies]

Sorry I've been kind of a stranger to chaz the last few days, I've been a little busy.... Thanks bestest buddy Romy for saving my butt and keeping folks updated
Just how cool is Romy you might ask? She brought Reeses peanut butter cups to our little whelping party! The sugar sustained us through 8 hours of collie midwifery duties! Romy rocks! :hail:
I'm definately keeping the harlequin male and I'm hoping the girl will be nice enough to keep as well.
Jordan and the puppies are doing well. The smallest puppy in the litter was 9oz and the biggest (Mr. Harlequin) was a whoppin' 15 oz.
I promise to try and keep folks updated! I love all of the questions! Thanks Spiritwind for all of the cool demonstrations of smooth and rough coats, etc. Great, informative posts.
K, I'm falling asleep at the computer.............