JonBenet Ramsey case

[Angel Chicken]

Well everyone, I need a good debate. Last night I was watching CNN, and found the perfect one to talk about. The JonBenet Case and John Mark Karr. Just awnser these questions and add additional statements if you like.


Question #1 Although there are no real evidence ties to John Karr to the murder,with no evidence he had been in the home, do you think he did it, or is this just a ploy for attention?

Questions #2

"I loved JonBenet, and she died accidentally,".

If Karr did in fact kill JonBenet, do you think it was an accident?

Question #3

"Everybody says I couldn't know my way around the house, but I got in the house around 5 o'clock ... and I stayed there all night,".

Do you think that this is true? Even though there is no evidence tieing him to the Ramsey home?

There is more, but that will come later once I can get ahold of the phone trancripts that floated to the surface this week.

I think he is guilty as all, but have some doubts as well. What do you guys think?

I also wanted to show you this video of the possible "holes" in Karrs story. You can see the video here

 

[Angel Chicken]

Anyone?

 

[bubbatd]

I personally think he's coo-coo ..... wish they'd hurry up with the DNA test.

 

[Angel Chicken]

Yeah, I agree totally... any man that is 20+ years older than a child and says he was in love with her.... yeah, he is one sandwich sort of a picnic!

 

[casablanca1]

I haven't really been following the story, but...

1) I don't know what to think. If I met him normally, I think I'd find him a little freaky, but I find a lot of people a little freaky. It's interesting that he was in Thailand, which has traditionally been a big source of child pornography and a draw for pedophiles.

2) No. I would find it very hard to believe that if a man is obsessed with a child, get himself into the child's house and get her alone, that she ends up dead only by some cruel accident. There's such dark intent in the whole procedure that if he was in that house and did make contact with the girl, murder was at least an option in his mind, no matter what he claims now.

3) I've read that the Ramsey house, which looks pretty small from the front, is really large. The family and the police took hours to locate the child's body in that basement in 1996, so there's obviously space to lose someone for a significant amount of time.

I was watching an old interview with the parents the other day, and it reminded me why they were always the big suspects in the public's mind. The mother comes off as a fruitcake - I mean, ok, the pageant thing was not neccessarily the worst hobby ever, but could she just quit defending it? - and the father was so calm and removed. Not that they did it, or that there was anything sinister about their behavior, but it really was strikingly 'off' in terms of what you'd imagine about your own behavior in that situation.

 

[J's crew]

I heard on the radio this morning that the hand writing analysis they did on John Mark Karr matched the note that was found in the house. They are 99.9% sure it is his writing.

 

[Angel Chicken]

So we have our first piece of real evidence, since the DNA has not been done yet. I think these "loopholes" everyone are finding are just an excuse to keep one of America's best known cases open.

 

[mamasobuco]

I have to admit that I am completely confused.
I know that the othorities hold back evidence from the media for just this reason. When someone says they did something, they will be the only one who knows the specifics kept out of the media. That said, my confusion is warranted at this point.
I think I will reserve judgement on the case for a later date.
What I do have to admit to is that the guy is a loon.

 

[Caren+Bailey]

I can't comment b/c i have no clue who or what the thread is about.

 

[sparks19]

I don't know what to think. Either he did it and he has a misconstrued view on reality or he is lying. So many things don't match up. he just looks creepy. I know I shouldn't judge someone by how they look but he just sends a shiver down my spine.

I heard somewhere that he had contact with the parents before. is it possible that they discussed those "intricat details" the press doesn't know? I do'nt know why anyone would do that but who knows these days.

i also read somewhere that in Thailand he married a 13 year old girl and later married a 16 year old girl.

how do you accidently strangle someone to death. he had SEX with her. Oh my God. I don't know what to think but if it's true. if he really did do it, I hope they feed him to the prison inmates.

 

[Renee750il]

how do you accidently strangle someone to death. he had SEX with her.

It's called auto-erotic asphyxiation, Sparks, and it's a very dangerous practice. Far too easy to accidentally strangle someone in the throes of passion and trying to enhance their orgasm. One of the practices that should get someone a spot in the Darwin Awards . . .

Nothing that we've heard about this case so far is adding up. His ex-wife, who says she hates him, has supposedly given the authorities very good evidence that he was with her and their children at the time of JonBenet's murder . . .

Something I remember that was briefly released, then quashed, when the case originally started was that the ejaculate found in JonBenet's panties had no sperm . . . something that made me wonder if it was her brother, and the mother was covering up for him because she couldn't bear the thought of losing both of her children.

 

[sparks19]

True Renee but i think when you are doing it with a 6 year old girl it is never accidental.

it's very disturbing. I don't know if he is guilty or not but just like you pointed out even more things that don't make sense. Either way he is a very sick individual. either he did this and is a pedophile, a rapist and a murderer or he didn't do it and he is confessing to a murder he didn't commit (why?) something is not right up in that brain of his.

 

[Renee750il]

Oh, Karr is definitely a nut-case and definitely needs to be institutionalized . . . even if it turns out that he had nothing at all to do with JonBenet's death.

The thought that someone may have used Karr's fascination with JonBenet and has fed him details that only someone very familiar with the case could know keeps nagging me . . .

And I can't, for the life of me, come up with any motive for the ex-wife to lie for him either . . .

 

[LabBreeder]

With the mother dead before the case was resolved, I personally hope that this Karr guy goes to jail so what's left of the Ramsey family can finally get some closure. If the guy says he did it, and they can put enough evidence against him *with or without loopholes, IMO* then put him in jail. The guy wants to confess, whether he did it or not. Let him be where he wants to be...in jail with other criminals.

I just think it sucks that it's taken 10 years to even get this far.

 

[DanL]

The auto erotic asphyixiation is done for pleasure (at least, some people are obviously into it, not my bag at all) - not done when you are raping a 6 year old and trying to keep her quiet. It's not like he was trying to enhance her pleasure by choking her.

One thing that bugs me about this is he says he accidently killed her, yet I read that she was hit so hard that her skull fracture was a foot long, and she was strangled with a garrot- not a manner of death that is accidental in any way.

This guy is definitely a whacko, but I can't decide if he's out for attention and knows enough about the case that he can make it sound like he did it, or if he really did do it. I always suspected the parents knew more about this than they ever let on.

 

[Renee750il]

Who knows what he would have been trying to do, DanL? The guy is nuts . . . In his odd mind, he could very well have been trying to give her pleasure if - as he says - her death was an accident . . . or he might just have been in a panic and trying to keep her quiet. Who knows? We'll never really know if he did it or not, much less why. Having had to deal with a few pedophiles, I can say that I doubt he would even be able to sort it out himself. Their reasoning is too warped for someone who is relatively normal to really be able to comprehend on any but the most superficial level.

 

[Angel Chicken]

Seeing your responces raises another question to my mind...

He is saying her death is accidental. Do you think he could be trying to get off on a lesser charge?

From what I have seen all over the TV and internet, this guy is indeed nuts, but not a dumb@$$. Does he know enough about the court systems to try and get off on an easier punishment?

 

[Renee750il]

There are just too many holes in too many places in this . . . and I don't place much faith in the DNA, as I know all too well that sometimes DNA testing comes back with the most "convenient" results . . . Not to mention that what we knew about DNA testing 10 years ago has been superceded so many times over that there is always the real possibility that the storage methods being used at that particular point in time weren't optimum for the testing methodology used today . . .

The most likely thing that we are going to find out is that there is only one person alive today who really knows what happened. Or maybe no one alive today knows . . .

 

[Saje]

With the mother dead before the case was resolved, I personally hope that this Karr guy goes to jail so what's left of the Ramsey family can finally get some closure. If the guy says he did it, and they can put enough evidence against him *with or without loopholes, IMO* then put him in jail. The guy wants to confess, whether he did it or not. Let him be where he wants to be...in jail with other criminals.

I just think it sucks that it's taken 10 years to even get this far.

So he should go to jail without hard evidence because he wants to be there? That's a waste of tax dollars IMO. And a waste of a life if you can call it that. I agree with renee that he needs to be institutionalized.

Personally, I don't think he did it. I think that he is obssessed with her and other little girls. He married his wife when she was 13 and she said he always wanted her to look younger according to an interview on Primetime last night. He's messed in the head and his reality is definitely skewed.

 

[TAVS]

I work in Boulder. Can I help anyone with anything? hehe