is this not fair?

[wcladymacbeth]

Ok, we're still trying to find a new tenant for our apartment. I posted in the ad that dogs were allowed as long as they're fixed, trained, not left in the yard all day, have references from previous landlord and vet, etc. The only person so far that has been interested in the apartment was unwilling to fix her dog and said it totally wasn't fair for us to require that.

Well, I'm sorry, but unless you want to show me the papers, health testing, show experience, and anything else that is going to indicate that your dog is a good specimen of a dog to breed, then I don't want your stinking intact female threatening to have puppies in MY apartment. Even if it IS a good quality dog with all that stuff, I don't want to run the risk of any accidental litters on my property. Not to mention that my neighbors who OWN their house have 2 intact male german shepherds that might just tear our fence down when that dog goes into heat!

 

[Pops2]

on the one hand it is your property, you rent to who you want & set whatever rules you want.
OTH i'd tell you to shove it & go rent elsewhere.

 

[CaliTerp07]

Ehh...I'd meet with her and see what kind of person she and the dog are. If it's never going to be out of her sight outside, then why does it matter if it's intact or not? It could be a beautiful show dog with a dozen titles, but the shepherds next door don't know the difference and will still tear down the fence to get to it, so the show dog thing doesn't make much of a difference here.

I'd be more curious as to her reasons for keeping the dog in tact. If it's to breed, that's an issue. If it's because it's a puppy or has health issues or whatever, different story.

Otherwise, say sorry and move on?

 

[darkchild16]

honestly I would do what Pops said even with fixed animals. I would do it by a case by case basis honestly. What if you had one of us that had a intact dog wanting to rent the apartment? Or a exhibitor with one dog that is proactive about it as we on the forum are. What if they have a male? Theres alot that can go into that.

 

[HayleyMarie]

I agree that it is your property and you have the right to set your own rules, but the other peopson also has the right not to Spay or Neuture their dog and there are responsible people out there that have their reasons not to S or N.

 

[Fran101]

Personally, I think its kind of an unfair rule. but it is your property and you can set whatever rule you want.
I personally would never rent from someone who had those kinds of rules, only because there are so many places around available for rent..why go through all that hassle?
My dog has to be fixed.. umm. no. I dont plan on breeding him, I know how to keep him away from females. My moms dog isn't spayed either, its just about being responsible when shes in heat.
. and how would you know if he was in the yard all day? what If I just put him outside for a little while? Would you really be checking?
Vet references?
Trained..as in how? cgc? training classes? potty trained?

the intentions of those questions are good. but I would certainly not rent from someone with those kinds of rules in contract. it would seem way too controlling for me and way too much of a hassle

My place asked for vet records for his shots and I paid a pet deposit in case he destroys anything. done and done.

the landlords met me and romeo and we discussed it. It was case by case, and I appreciated that.
They met Romeo, saw how friendly he was. and spoke with me about why he was not neutered, they understood and that was that.

 

[oakash]

I agree with Fran, they could have their reasons, or she could be a really responsible dog owner who doesn't want to spay her dog.

 

[wcladymacbeth]

lol

I came about those rules based on the advice given me in this thread http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t115626/

I said "trained" because I don't require anything except that the dog be well mannered and not tear up my property. I don't need a CGC or whatever. The girl who didn't want to fix her dog told me her dog was trained by her and I would've accepted that. But she really couldn't give me any good reason not to fix her dog... it's 3 years old.

Also, as far as the dog being left in the yard all day, the place is in my backyard just separated by a privacy fence so that's really not something I'm willing to change. The dog that lives there now is in the yard all day and it's annoying as hell that I can't go out in my yard during the day without being barked at excessively. (The tenant that has that dog was there when we bought the house fyi.)

We did meet the family but not the dog.


Also, the tenant we choose will probably be the tenant when we sell our house (we want to get outta this town lol.) So honestly I probably shouldn't even allow pets at all because it might be a bad selling point to anyone who wants to buy our house. But it is ridiculously hard to find a place to rent with dogs around here that I figured I would give it a try as long as I can be as picky as I want

IF the person was very responsible and had a good reason not to fix their dog, then I might consider it, but knowing how the majority of people in my town are... that's not too likely.

 

[Island dog]

Since this tenant and possible dog will have a great impact on your life and the future selling of the home, I think it's important to get the best tenant possible. Your property/investment. I think it's great you're willing to allow a dog.

 

[Catsi]

Well, firstly I think people can choose if they have their dog intact or not.

Do I think your rule is unfair? No. If I had applied for your property, I'd just move on. Sometimes you can negotiate, sometimes you cannot.

Your property, your rules.

Myself, I would try to look at this on a case to case basis and I personally wouldn't mind an intact dog BUT it is your property. I don't find it unfair.

It's a little hard over here to get a rental property that will allow pets, let alone inside ones (I can't wait for that little challenge! ). But I put that down to many owners having bad experiences with dog owners. It seems to give everyone a bad name, which is a shame.

 

[bubbatd]

I'd want to meet the dog before deciding . My dogs were intact with no problems . If it's a male , do you have a neighbor whose dog may go into heat and is left in the yard alone ??

 

[sillysally]

I don't think that you are being unfair in the least. That was the requirment we had to meet to have Sally in our apartment and I was more than happy to do that. It is VERY hard

to find someone willing to take bully breeds. I think sometimes we forget that chaz owners tend to be the exception, rather than the rule when it comes to intact dog ownership especially. If you don't feel comfortable with her reasons for keeping the dog intact, i see nothing wrong with not wanting to rent to her.

 

[Renee750il]

What's the expression?

Oh. "My house, my rules."

And you're allowed to change them if you meet a potential tenant you really like

 

[ihartgonzo]

I think your rules are perfectly fair... and, I think that if the girl who wouldn't fix her dog was a knowledgeable dog owner with good reason not to, she would TALK to you about it and explain herself rather than just bitch about it.

You aren't saying "No Pit Bulls/Rotties/Huskies/insert breed" or "No dogs over 3 lbs". You just don't want a badly handled dog next to you, which is completely understandable. The average dog owner with an intact dog is incredibly irresponsible, doesn't supervise their female in heat and do have males who mark everything in sight. That is HELL to live with! I live in fear of my neighbors who own 2 intact American Bulldogs who are batshit crazy, huge, aggressive, and are walked on 30 foot long flexis. They bark non-stop, with their crazy monkey barks, for literally 12 hours a day. And our apartments do not allow dogs over 40 lbs OR Am Bullies... let alone these scary dogs. They board at the hotel, too, so I know just how destructive/dirty/aggro they are. They even attacked each other once. I wish my landlord was as strict and careful as you.

 

[Pam111]

I think it's fair. I had to provide proof my dogs were neutered at my last apartment and the landlord came to see my old apartment and meet the dogs. He had originally said no puppies, but when he saw they were well behaved and would be crated when I was gone, he was ok with it

 

[Jules]

I think it's perfectly fair, especially with an intact bitch. We have seen that even here, with people that do watch out and care, ooops litters happen, they simply do. If they don't like it, they can shove it and find another place.

 

[Lizmo]

It is your house, so your rules. But I agree, it's not completely fair. Why does her dog need to be fixed? Why does a dog need to be show quaility/whatever to be intact? Why can't a responsible owner have an intact dog?

If your worried about what your neighbor dogs would do, it's your *neighbor's* problem. I don't think it should be yours. I stick by what I said in your original thread....meet the dog and owner. Then make a judgement. Just my opinion, though.

 

[Saeleofu]

If the dog is an adult, and there is no medical or show reason for them to be intact, I'd say it's fair to require spay/neuter.

BUT...if the dog id not fully mature, or there is a health reason, or the dog is showing/has shown and is breeding, then no, it's not fair to require spay/neuter. For example, if I were to move into your place, I'd be more than happy to show you documentation for Logan proving that he needs to remain intact for show purposes.

 

[Bailey08]

I don't think that you are being unfair in the least. That was the requirment we had to meet to have Sally in our apartment and I was more than happy to do that. It is VERY hard to find someone willing to take bully breeds. I think sometimes we forget that chaz owners tend to be the exception, rather than the rule when it comes to intact dog ownership especially. If you don't feel comfortable with her reasons for keeping the dog intact, i see nothing wrong with not wanting to rent to her.

I think it's perfectly fair, especially with an intact bitch. We have seen that even here, with people that do watch out and care, ooops litters happen, they simply do. If they don't like it, they can shove it and find another place.

I totally agree with these posts. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it -- you get to make the rules, and you should be as comfortable as possible with your future tenants. It's not really a matter of "fairness" IMO.

 

[Zoom]

Talk to them, ask them why the dog is still intact. If you get the "we just don't care enough to spay" or "she needs to have puppies first to calm her down" vibe from them, then the rule stands.

But if they have concise, legitmate reasons or at least come across as responsible enough to not have an oops litter on your carpets, then I'd be a bit more lenient.