Is this a good breeder?

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  1. Picklepaige

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    I stopped looking after I read that. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole just by that paragraph, but that's me.
     
  3. Emily

    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    Ditto.
     
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    Another ditto. All kinds of turn offs in that paragraph. You have to feed them a special vitamin tablet???? If the animals they produce cannot thrive without special vitamins there is something wrong with their lines.
     
  5. Emily

    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    Also: "Buyer agrees that seller will repossess puppy/dog upon evidence of neglect and or abuse at no expense to seller without any refund in whole or part."

    Alrighty, so you tie your dog up, they don't like it, they come and take your dog, at your expense, with no refund. :eek: No way.
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    It's something (or two) they feel strongly about. I wouldn't personally buy from them, but I don't see that it makes them a bad breeder.
     
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    Bad breeder and good breeder are very very subjective terms. Which is why I said that is enough to make me run for the hills. If someone else doesn't mind having those dictates on the dog they purchased then by all means go for it.

    I personally will pretty much only sign the barest of contracts, so a breeder telling me that I have to feed a certain vitamin, alter my dog and never tie them up at all is enough to give me hives.
     
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    MafiaPrincess Obvious trollsare Obvious

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    Not sure it makes them a bad breeder. It makes them one I wouldn't get near though. I don't want to be told I have to fed a food or a supplement, and I wouldn't sign a contract I'd never tie ever.

    I went on vacation for a month. To be on campsites the dogs all had to be staked. That would violate that contract even though they were supervised.
     
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    Yeah, I really really try never to use the word bad breeder because it's such a black and white term and very personal. More, not the right breeder for you.

    But I would be breaking it too, multiple times a day since we don't have a fenced in yard so our dogs go out on a tie out when they go to the bathroom.
     
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    I appreciate a breeder encouraging altering dogs. I think if you're not responsible enough to look into the pros and cons of spaying and neutering and make your own decision, you're not responsible enough to handle an unaltered dog.

    That said, if I felt strongly about leaving a dog unaltered and I was going to buy from a breeder...I would probably seek out a breeder that had some input on spaying and neutering, but present them with the health information and my knowledge of responsibly handling an unaltered dog. I suppose at that point either they'd accept I knew what I was talking about, or they'd be too set in their ways and I'd look elsewhere. But I wouldn't look negatively at a breeder who generally sold on a spay/neuter contract.

    That said, my checklist of a good breeder is: Do they do all the pertinent health tests? Have their dogs done something to prove temperament/ability? Do they agree to take back the puppy at any time if I'm unable to care for it? Do they use training/socializing methods I approve of before the puppy is sent home?

    After that it's kind of all an individual basis.
     
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    Emily Rollin' with my bitches

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    Bad breeder? I have no idea, because I don't what kind of dogs they're producing. They might be fantastic. I have no idea.

    I just know I wouldn't touch that contract. Lindsey and I have the same allergy, lol. (I will say that I think some of my aversion is pure classical conditioning: Most of the breeders with contracts like this don't produce dogs I want to buy, hence I avoid them.)

    To the OP, no one call really tell you what to look for in a breeder. If you're just looking for a pet and don't mind the contract, maybe they would have a nice dog for you. It really, really depends on what you want and value, in the end. People have gotten dogs I wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole from breeders I wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole, and they've been very happy with them. And it's their life and their money, so it doesn't matter what I think. ;)

    It's really about whether or not the breeder: a.) produces the kind of dog you want to own and b.) treats their dogs in a manner you support and c.) has terms you can agree to. The idea that there is one type of "good breeder" is not realistic, as others have said.
     
  12. JennSLK

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    Personaly I think you can do much better in breed type. My preferance anyways. They seem to be doing the right things health wise Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

    Contract? No way. I wouldnt touch that ever. But it's your dog and you know what you can live with.
     
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    Zero mention of health testing, no actual titles really listed for each dog just some vague show pics with "wins" listed, listing "liver" nose to hook people into buying a pup.... um yeah no. Stay far far away.

    If I want me a lion hound, I want one from good working stock thats doing lure coursing or something and has healthy dogs behind it. ;)
     
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    Well since Chaz deleated my responce....

    Monkeys- If you real my previous post you will see a link to thier health testing via OFA. Not all breeders list thier testing. ASK them insted of assuming esp since things are so easy to google. Plus you can look up titles VIA the AKC wesbite. So before people assume things they need to do more research.

    I also quoted the AKC standard. Liver noses are perfectly acceptable. ;)
     
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    I have no idea what the standard and norms are for a RR contract. I also can't speak to the quality of their dogs.

    What I can speak to is the dog buying experience. The most important things are as follows in my eyes.

    1) What do I want the dog for and is the breeder's goals compatible or complimentary to my goals?

    2) Does the breeder know they have healthy dogs or do they claim to have healthy dogs? Is this information 3rd party verified?

    3) Is the contract unreasonable, too controlling, or contain clauses I am unwilling to live with?

    4) Does the breeder have a good reputation with their puppy buyers?

    5) Are the breeder's ethics compatible with my ethics?

    6) Is the breeder willing to involve me with the selection process for my puppy?
     
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    if you wanted a real lion hound you wouldn't be getting a RR anyway. you'd be looking at a linebred mix of coonhound & foxhound from several generations of lion hounds. of course if you wanted a real working RR you'd run past the lure coursing dogs to a fella i know in MO who has the only true hunting bred RRs in the USA. some of his stock & product even has conformation titles, but i don't hold it against him.
     
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    I really don't like the whole "good vs. bad breeder" stuff that seems to be a part of every dog forum the minute someone posts a breeder's website. Often it becomes a chance to bash breeders for "not doing enough" or breeding dogs that the posters don't care for. I will say though to read contracts and be sure you aren't agreeing to anything that makes you uncomfortable. Although many issues in dog contracts are difficult or impossible to enforce, getting a dog from a breeder with very different views from your's can create a lot of tension and bad feelings on both sides.

    As for the altering thing, it is extremely hard to find well bred dogs of certain breeds which don't come with altering strings. It has become the norm in the dog world, at least in the US and Canada. Some breeders are willing to bend on it, if you talk to them. Others are not and will likely turn you down for a puppy if you ask them to. This sort of explains why such agreements are so widespread:

    http://breedingbetterdogs.com/pdfFiles/articles/a_gathering_storm_pt_1.pdf

    http://breedingbetterdogs.com/pdfFiles/articles/a_gathering_storm_pt_2.pdf

    I do not believe the Nu-vet supplement requirement means these dogs are unhealthy. It most likely means the breeder has gotten involved in Nu-Vet's multi-level marketing deal.
     
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    yeah that's what I believe too. But if you asked them about it I doubt they'd be like "yeah, I'm involved in a pyramid scheme so you have to buy them for the pup you've purchased" lol more likely they'd give you some BS about how these supplements are vital to the pup's wellbeing. To which my reply is, if your line of dogs "needs" this stuff like you say they do then your dogs are defective.
     
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    I guess how I see it is, they are trying to be strict, to make sure that potential new owners realize that they are getting a living breathing creature that is going to live for 10 + years. If I was able to talk to them, and explain my situation, and how I didn't feel comfortable with their contract because of my lifestyle, and they were willing to compromise, then yeah, I think that's fine.

    But if they were 100% strict, weren't willing to negotiate, and wanted everything done 'their' way, then I probably would steer clear.
     
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    Arifi Kennels - Home I love these dogs. I have met them a few times, gorgeous, true Ridgebacks :) On the other hand, I wouldn't say that the statement about spaying and neautering threw me off. I am sure if an someone willing to share knowledge and concerns as well as experience the breeder would give some leeway. Breeders don't get gifted with that as often as they do with duds that only ask, what's the price? But would I sign that contract? No. If I met the dogs and loved them and the breeder I would discuss it though. Call and decide yourself
     

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