Ipo?

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Laurelin, May 9, 2012.

  1. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    30,963
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    a lot
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    Home Page:
    Just a curiosity since I'm not ever planning on doing bitework but when did Schutzhund get changed to IPO? What does IPO stand for? Why the change?
     
  2. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    It was changed this year and it stands for some other german words I don't know how to say but basically means people are a bunch of pussies and had to bow to pressures because schutzhund translates to "protection dog" and we just couldn't be training dogs that have anything to do with bitework.
     
  3. Shai

    Shai & the Muttly Crew

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2009
    Messages:
    6,215
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Apparently IPO = Internationale Prüfungsordnung which translated to International Working Tests.

    At least that's what my net search said when I first saw the term a few weeks ago and looked lol. RTH's explanations sounds more practical though :p
     
  4. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    30,963
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    a lot
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    Home Page:
    That's weird. What's the beef with 'protection dogs'? Just liability stuff?
     
  5. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    because biting dogs are scary and dangerous and those who understand the least get to make the most rules. it's a pervasive sickness that is finding it's way into most of society unfortunately.
     
  6. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    30,963
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    a lot
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    Home Page:
    Ridiculous.

    Is it a global change? I'm pretty sure most people in the US are unaware of what schutzhund is let alone what the word means.

    Is retroactive? If a dog earned a SCHH3, are they now IPO3?
     
  7. Maliraptor

    Maliraptor Bite me.

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2012
    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    11
    Location:
    Southern California- The Desert Part
    Home Page:
    It is not retroactive.
    A dog with a SchH3 still has a SchH3. But no new SchH3s will be earned, they will all be IPO3s.
     
  8. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    It's not just a US change, but I'm not sure who all it affects. I'd imagine it has something to do with the FCI and SV and being the recognized breed club of certain countries
     
  9. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    Politics. Biting dogs shouldn't admit they bite. Duh.


    Inserteyerollhere.
     
  10. Red Chrome

    Red Chrome New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,568
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Cause..you know...dogs trained in bitework are dangerous and a liability etc. Silly Politics get in the way of things.

    They changed some rules that IMHO make it easier. LoLa is almost ready for a BH..then the rule changes cane out and she could pass it now. We were working on the out of motion exercises. Its ridiculous the new changes.

    Sad to see the sport caving to the dog coddling mongers.
     
  11. stafinois

    stafinois Professional Nerd

    Joined:
    May 11, 2009
    Messages:
    1,617
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Mayberry
    Home Page:
    Whoa, the out of motion exercises are gone?
     
  12. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    no, they aren't gone. It's only for the BH, which essentially they were making legal what judges were letting slide for a long time.

    It's not really a title, just a temperament test and if your dog had decent temp and could do most of the stuff they passed. Now they just say you may take a small pause for the sit and down in the BH.

    For the actual IPO titles, the motion exercises are pretty much the same, except when there is no recall it's only 15 paces instead of 30 and the distance to go out stays the same for exercises with recall.
     
  13. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    I was surprised for the pause too but we trained the exercises as out of motion and that is how we did them.

    Do you think the APR2&3 will be accepted? We were discussing this at training last night...
     
  14. puppydog

    puppydog Tru evil has no pantyline

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2006
    Messages:
    7,500
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's not so bad. In South Africa it was changed from Manwork to "Character Building". Puke.
     
  15. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    I'm not sure I follow the question, as far as I know, they can still offer those titles is that what you're asking?
     
  16. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    Sorry I wasn't clear actually so you're not lost. Lol

    I meant to write do you believe the APR2&3 will be accepted by Schutzhund USA?
     
  17. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    I think so, but I don't know for sure. I have never actually been a part of a trial that ever ran or awarded those so I'd have to look up and see what all the exercises are even :) But I do see trials sanctioned by USA that are offering those titles this year, so I'm assuming they are just fine.

    But as they say, when you make an assumption you make an ass out of you and umption :D
     
  18. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    Haha, yeah. Denis (the other half) is planning on taking Sloan for her Apr1, which is the equiv from what we read of the old schA, this summer. We have such a limit for tracking here it's discouraging. He'd like to go back for her IPO1 and on if the move to Oregon pans out but he's not willing to wait for it.
     
  19. stafinois

    stafinois Professional Nerd

    Joined:
    May 11, 2009
    Messages:
    1,617
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Mayberry
    Home Page:

    OMG, that's hysterical!
     
  20. Red Chrome

    Red Chrome New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,568
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I don't think the pause should have been added. I don't like it. I will do it as an out of motion and take the point deduction.

    I just disagree with some of the rule changes. It was made easier IMHO.

    LoLa goes for her BH in June at DVG KG regionals and we plan on doing it as the rules were cause we don't need the extra help!
     

Share This Page