So i'm on a few dog forums plus i'm exposed to all kinds of dog people with my job. All types of people, all types of training thoughts, all types of dogs. One trend I've noticed though which is interesting, is that most of the people who are CM or BP worshippers either have small dogs or "aggressive breeds". What i've also noticed is that if they happen to talk to me about problems their dogs are having (fighting, food aggression, destroying things, etc) and i suggest crating/confining/restraint/isolation and seeking out a trained professional (to whom i recommend and give them a card to)they get totally offended. Not because i suggested a professional behaviourist or trainer, but because i suggested crating. The small dog owners go on about how cruel it is to put poor poopsie in an awful jail cell, then the "aggressive breed" owners go on about how it'll stunt their monster coffee table dog's massive ripped muscley growth and that is cruel because people won't be in awe of the thing then. So it's weird. They don't see that slamming and pinning and stringing their dogs up as cruel, but think that crates/confinement/isolation/restraining is cruel. The dog world is mighty strange sometimes.