Interdog aggression

Scotia

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Hi

I own a 3 year old Australian Cattle Dog, desexed female. We have done puppy preschool as a baby, then clicker obedience classes, agility classes and just recently we've been learning flyball. She's a very fast learner and just loves it. So, theoretically, the training and socialisation from puppyhood has been appropriate.

In the past several months, she has shown a degree of dog aggression. She will go and say hi to a dog, wag her tail, sniff, and if there's any hint of anything from the other dog, she will get into them. When she was at puppy preschool she was menaced by a large German Shepherd pup, and when she was older, at a dog park, she was attacked and bitten by a Staffie. It looks sometimes as if she's going a dog because she thinks it's going to go her, and she wants to get in first. Very anthropomorphic :)

We also own a 12 month old ACD, desexed male, and she's becoming quite dominant over him. Appropriate, I think, but she's becoming a bit more aggressive than I think she needs to be there.

I've always been hesitant to allow her off leash in a dog park or on the beach, because of her tendency to attack other dogs. She is worse when she is hyped up, and adrenalin is coursing through her veins. She doesn't hear you call her, she's so focussed on getting to the other dog. She also gets fired up at dogs who bark at her through a fence when we go walking.

On Tuesday night, we were at flyball training, and she ran over to me, then kept going and took on a dog racing in the next lane. That dog reciprocated in kind, and it was on. A lot of noise, but no harm done. The other dog's owner picked his dog up, and my dog was still jumping up trying to bite the other dog. I had balls, toys, treats... all of the good things but getting to this other dog was so much more rewarding.

She is lovely to people, and very trainable. I will continue to go to training, but keep her on lead, as I don't think keeping her away from other dogs will do her any good. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what sort of behaviouralist or trainer I should seek. This is more than just an obedience training problem, this is the worst she has been, and I would like to get it fixed reliably. It would be a shame for her not to get out and about because of it if there's something I can do to remedy her behavior.

Thanks for reading this far, and I look forward to your suggestions.

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Actually, if you feel inclined, it would be optimum to ask Dr2little right here on the thread. That way, everyone can learn something. That would be great!

BTW....I have the same problem with my Doberman, but when we're on a casual leash walk. Otherwise he's good, like in agility and obedience, off leash etc. I've had to use desensatizing from a distance and gradually introduce more stimulation over time....reward for giving me his attention when I try to distract him from becoming "overly" alert....which difuses the situation a little. It's really important to catch him BEFORE he tenses up and gets all alert. It's also been imperative that I keep calm and relaxed as though it's not a big deal and try to keep tension out of the leash. It's true...once she gets so focused on the other dog, forget it. She won't hear you. You have to beat her to it.

I think Dr.2little will have better advice since your situation isn't exactly like mine was, as my dog is pretty much fine when he's off leash. It seems to be more leash frustration than aggression. Socialization is the key but on the other hand, we can't expect all dogs to like all dogs. They often don't accept members outside of their familiarity. Nose to nose greetings are not favorable. If you can take a walk with other dogs, going the same direction, parellel, that often helps them....they're on a mission together. LOL. If Lyric has a strong reaction to another dog who is walking toward us, I'll turn directions and walk behind or beside that dog and then he's fine.

Anyhow....those are some of my experiences. I've not had that trouble much with any other dog before. So, I'm sure Dr2little or someone else will have some more ideas for ya.
 
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Doberluv gave great advise. The only real way to work to ease her anxiety and/or reduce her aggression issues is to desensitize, always either on leash or with a barrier. Off leash exposure will only lead to more of what you've experienced and as you've said, subtle ques from other dogs are out of your control so best to avoid all off leash areas at this point.
One thing that you mentioned that really caught my eye is that she's worse when she's hyped up. Does she have a strong focus command that you work with daily. If not, this would be a great place to start. Using the word FOCUS or WATCH ME, and rewarding for longer and longer periods of focus and proofing in as many places (starting of course with the least distracting) as possible. This command, like the emergency recall are the 2 that I work on the most to keep them working at their optimum for when you really need them. A true working focus command if taught and proofed properly will trump anything else that's going on. You do have to find out what her absolute best reward is and reserve this item (food, toy...cash:D ) for her focus training ONLY. Payment should be like fine dining rather that fast food. Create an unbreakable bonding experience between you and her while rewarding generously for a job well done. When she hears the word FOCUS...the world around her shoud essentially become non-existant. I personally find that using a clicker to build the initial FOCUS is really the most effective...of course it's only used until the behavior is proofed with distraction, but the specific and immediate nature of the clicker is such a great way to initially capture what you're looking for.
Are you really thinking about what's happening at your end of the leash when these instances tend to highten...I know they're not all on lead but what happens on lead can still translate into negative associations with other dogs even when she's "free".
During the desentization phase you really have to figure out the point just prior to her becomming reactive. Waiting until she's already there, as Doberluv said, is too late. I'm not sure how much detail I shoud go into with respect to the actual desensitization process as it looks like you've been very busy and diligent with respect to the classes you've taken her to.
Let me know if you need me to break it all down for you and I'd be happy to..:)

One more quick edit/note - Make sure that whatever Certified trainer/behaviorist that you work with does not attempt to use correction for this problem. This is not something to be punished away but rather must be dealt with in a way that changes her association to her triggers (other dogs) in a positive manor. Correction for this behavior can and from my experience WILL result in an unpredictable, angry and reactive dog.
 

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Thanks for the replies. You're right, dr2little, it's more than possible that she senses me tense up when we approach another dog, or when she's off lead and going over to another dog. I'll be watching myself more now. If you have time, could you break it down for me? I'll be checking out any behaviouralists very carefully, one who uses inappropriate methods could easily make things worse. I have been told already to use a really strong aversive when she's rushing up to a dog, but I really didn't like that idea. I expect it would make her think the other dog is responsible for the aversive, and make the situation worse. In your experience, can dogs like this be fully umm what's the word? Corrected? I'd like to be able to trust her fully around other dogs.

This is my second dog. My last dog was easy!! Obedience and agility titles, went bushwalking off lead, dog parks, beaches... this girl is more challenging, which is good in a way - teaches me more. She's a lovely sweet natured girl and I really want to persist with her, rather than have her miss out on the fun of dog sports.

Cheers

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First of all, buy Click to Calm. One of the best books, in my opinion on facing this type of thing.

Then start from the beginning. What is triggering her? If you can't answer that, then you should look at everything as something that may 'set her off.' Watch her body language. No matter where you are. Be it at home, dog park, class etc. you said she is getting pushy with your other dog. Is she jealous? Has anything happened between the two of then recently? You said he was younger, maybe he is going through his adolescent stage and being pushy to her? I know almost every one of my dogs went through an "I know it all" stage at about 18-24 months.

Do as everyone else here said and desensitize. Most importantly, do not let this happen frequently. The more often it happens the more likely she will see it as a 'way out'. I assume after these incidents she is put away, or moved away from the other dog, therefore ending the reason for her distress. Good luck!!!
 

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Thanks again for your replies. I'll get Click to Calm, even the title sounds great.
Doberluv, when I click on your link, I don't get to any particular post in that forum. Could you please resend.

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I think getting those books would be the best thing for you. Click to Calm and get Fight, by Jean Donaldson. That's suppose to be really good too. I haven't read it, but Jean Donaldson is phenomenal so anything she writes must be awesome. Actually, maybe I'll get that one too. I'm running out of money by buying a lot of books lately. LOL. Let us know what you learn, would you? And how things go with your dog.
 

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Doberluv, thank you very much for the article. One thing hit home, and it's that aggression is based on anxiety - a residue from her stressful puppy preschool and the attack at the dog park? I've ordered Click to Calm, and will chase up the Jean Donaldson book - I love her work. Thanks again for all the comments.

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Oh, I do hope things will turn around for her. I bet they will with such a devoted owner...that you want to read and learn more really shows it. She's in good hands. Let us know.
 

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