Intact Males and Vets (What do you do?)

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Eh we always mention it if we see their dog is intact. If they say they want to keep it intact we put an asterisk by the dogs sex so we know not to ask again.

We're not going to ask just because it offends some people. The vet is about the welfare of the animals first off and that means neutering/spaying as much as possible to prevent possible 'accidents'. We see a lot of 'accidents' and that's just more puppies in the pound.
See puting a mark beside the name is a great idea. That way you know what they plan on doing and have been talked to. I understand that vets are for the animals first. But to ask every time (I was in the vets last year about 8 times due to blazes tail injury so he always needed a check up( Cut the end of his tail off in a window, freak accident the wind blew a window closed and mr bushy tails tail was in there.) And they asked every time. I just said I never plan on breedinghim, he comes from a puppy mill but with his heart condition I dont feel the need to put him under if he doesnt need it.
 

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My vet has never said a word about Gunnar being intact. I think he understands it's the owner's choice and doesn't push it.
 
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At my vet they do ask if a dog is intact or not. If you say no, they leave it. if you say yes they ask if you want to, maybe give you some info but don't pressure. And If you come in with an intact dog and you are showing, all you have to say is it's a show dog and that's end on conversation. They are big on Spay/neutering, but it's not their choice in the end. And she respects it.
 

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Eh we always mention it if we see their dog is intact. If they say they want to keep it intact we put an asterisk by the dogs sex so we know not to ask again.

We're not going to ask just because it offends some people. The vet is about the welfare of the animals first off and that means neutering/spaying as much as possible to prevent possible 'accidents'. We see a lot of 'accidents' and that's just more puppies in the pound.
Exactly why I didn't get offended when my vet brought it up. We discussed it and I made a decision based off of what we talked about. I don't think a spay/neuter happy vet would push me away from them if they were an amazing vet. I think it's great that vets are encouraging it.
 
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I hate the kind of vet that pressures and that would end my business on the spot definitely letting them know the reason. IMO...I think it's proper for vets to initially ask and I think it's proper for them to have an initial discussion about whether or not someone intends to breed possibly leading into some general information about how to prevent unwanted breedings, health testing, and joining a show or working club to become networked and versed in recommended breeding practices as this may be helpful to some people.

At the same time, regardless of the reason for the owner's desire to keep the dog intact, I feel a vet has an ethical obligation to discuss both the benefits AND potential drawbacks of spaying/neuter because there are are actually some health issues that appear more frequently in altered pets. However, too often S/N becomes an agenda and IMO amounts to irresponsible medicine if scare tactics such as aggression or making the person feel like a terrible owner are used. At the end of the day, I am my dogs' owner and it is my right to have factual, unfiltered information upon which I can make an informed decision that is right for our family.

We are having a real problem across the Chinook breed right now where our breeding population is still *extremely* small and, since it's more difficult to find good homes willing to keep intact females, a common practice is to occasionally place intact males in pet homes to be kept open for evaluation, health testing, and potential breeding under the support and guidance of an experienced breeder. What's happening in certain areas is these vigilante vets, without understanding the situation or knowing anything about the breed, are aggressively pressing these owners to the point where they are made to feel irresponsible and regard dog testicles as the root of all evil known to man. If a dog has an aggression issue, yes, neutering will help and of course would be the recommended course of action. But to suggest that a perfectly mannered 2 year old is going to morph into a monster after already surviving the adolesdent hormone surge is just bologna! MOST behavior problems are a result of insufficient or ineffective training and/or socialization and perhaps a more responsible vet would do better by encouraging more participation in puppy & obedience classes as a means of preventing behavioral issues before they happen in all dogs.

OK...I'll quit...but this thread really hit one of my push buttons! ;)

Debbie
 

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It honestly depends on the vet. As a vet tech, I will say that when we have a new client, or a client gets a new dog, we go over the pros and cons of leaving a dog intact, neutering, etc. In our opinion, it's about education more than anything. So "yes" we give the talk, but "no" we don't and won't hound anyone about it.
 

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Thanks, that was interesting.

I do not take offence that she asked, however I did not like the fact that after I had explained to her she continued to repeat her "facts" about "agression".

I will probably just stick with this vet because I otherwise like her and Spy trusts her. H
However if she persists I will just explain firmly that I have no interest in neutering him for now. End of disscussion.

Thanks!

~Tucker
 

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My vet's not like that at all. When asked about neutering, he said "the pros would be that it could help prevent same-sex aggression and cancers" and that was that.
 

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