If You’re Aggressive, Your Dog Will Be, Too, Says Veterinary Study at UP

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If You’re Aggressive, Your Dog Will Be, Too, Says Veterinary Study at UP

If You’re Aggressive, Your Dog Will Be, Too, Says Veterinary Study at University of Pennsylvania: University of Pennsylvania

If You’re Aggressive, Your Dog Will Be, Too, Says Veterinary Study at University of Pennsylvania
February 17, 2009

PHILADELPHIA –- In a new, year-long University of Pennsylvania survey of dog owners who use confrontational or aversive methods to train aggressive pets, veterinary researchers have found that most of these animals will continue to be aggressive unless training techniques are modified.

The study, published in the current issue of Applied Animal Behavior Science, also showed that using non-aversive or neutral training methods such as additional exercise or rewards elicited very few aggressive responses.

“Nationwide, the No. 1 reason why dog owners take their pet to a veterinary behaviorist is to manage aggressive behavior,†Meghan E. Herron, lead author of the study, said. “Our study demonstrated that many confrontational training methods, whether staring down dogs, striking them or intimidating them with physical manipulation does little to correct improper behavior and can elicit aggressive responses.â€

The team from the School of Veterinary Medicine at Penn suggest that primary-care veterinarians advise owners of the risks associated with such training methods and provide guidance and resources for safe management of behavior problems. Herron, Frances S. Shofer and Ilana R. Reisner, veterinarians with the Department of Clinical Studies at Penn Vet, produced a 30-item survey for dog owners who made behavioral service appointments at Penn Vet. In the questionnaire, dog owners were asked how they had previously treated aggressive behavior, whether there was a positive, negative or neutral effect on the dogs’ behavior and whether aggressive responses resulted from the method they used. Owners were also asked where they learned of the training technique they employed.

Of the 140 surveys completed, the most frequently listed recommendation sources were “self†and “trainers.†Several confrontational methods such as “hit or kick dog for undesirable behavior†(43 percent), “growl at dog†(41 percent), “physically force the release of an item from a dog's mouth†(39 percent), “alpha rollâ€physically -- rolling the dog onto its back and holding it (31 percent), “stare at or stare down†(30 percent), “dominance down†—- physically forcing the dog down onto its side (29 percent) and “grab dog by jowls and shake†(26 percent) elicited an aggressive response from at least 25 percent of the dogs on which they were attempted. In addition, dogs brought to the hospital for aggressive behavior towards familiar people were more likely to respond aggressively to some confrontational techniques than dogs brought in for other behavioral reasons.

“This study highlights the risk of dominance-based training, which has been made popular by TV, books and punishment-based training advocates,â€Herron said. “These techniques are fear-eliciting and may lead to owner-directed aggression.â€

Prior to seeking the counsel of a veterinary behaviorist, many dog owners attempt behavior-modification techniques suggested by a variety of sources. Recommendations often include the aversive-training techniques listed in the survey, all of which may provoke fearful or defensively aggressive behavior. Their common use may have grown from the idea that canine aggression is rooted in the need for social dominance or to a lack of dominance displayed by the owner. Advocates of this theory therefore suggest owners establish an “alpha†or pack-leader role.

The purpose of the Penn Vet study was to assess the behavioral effects and safety risks of techniques used historically by owners of dogs with behavior problems.
 

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I think my dogs are kind of like me... we spend a lot of time napping, with shorts bursts of energized playtime, we listen well (followers, not leaders?) and don't like being yelled at :p
 

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I think its more if your training style is aggressive your dog will be more likely to aggress. I have met some very meek people who have thought they MUST dominate their dog so have been aversive and 'aggressive' when training.

I have met some very confrontational people who training very positivity. So it can go both ways.
 

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What about Lynn? ;)

Just think what a wreck he would be if you punched him in the face every time he got reactive. :eek:
LOL!!!!!

Lynn is actually passive and very submissive. a people pleaser who HATES to even think about messing up. but nope, she isnt a nervous wreck though.
 

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This was the part that about broke my heart.

Of the 140 surveys completed, the most frequently listed recommendation sources were “self†and “trainers.†Several confrontational methods such as “hit or kick dog for undesirable behavior†(43 percent), “growl at dog†(41 percent), “physically force the release of an item from a dog's mouth†(39 percent), “alpha rollâ€physically -- rolling the dog onto its back and holding it (31 percent), “stare at or stare down†(30 percent), “dominance down†—- physically forcing the dog down onto its side (29 percent) and “grab dog by jowls and shake†(26 percent) elicited an aggressive response from at least 25 percent of the dogs on which they were attempted. In addition, dogs brought to the hospital for aggressive behavior towards familiar people were more likely to respond aggressively to some confrontational techniques than dogs brought in for other behavioral reasons.
It makes me want to cry that there are still so many people out there who think those are valid training techniques, and not outright abuse. :(
 

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I wish I had Sal's temperament. Sal is happy go lucky and nothing ever bothers him. He has been bit by another dog and he has been completely willing to forgive and forget a minute later. I on the other hand....not so much. I am much more likely to express aggression toward strangers than Sal, heck....Sal never ever expresses aggression.
 

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Hmmmmmmmm, interesting at least :)

I don't know if I agree with it, but definitely interesting.

I guess if either of our dogs are comparable to me, it would be Phoebe. She is relaxed, laid back, greets strangers (human and dog alike) with a friendly happy attitude, but she WILL come out fighting mad when she deems it necessary.

Orson, nope, I don't find him comparable to anyone in the house, LOL. He has been trained and treated basically the same as Phoebe, but they are polar opposite and not just in looks. He is skittish, suspicious, ready to accuse first and ask later.

I know you will get certain things in certain breeds.......so maybe "aggressive" people are attracted to more aggressive "type" dogs and either subconsciously or consciously ENCOURAGE the aggression?
 
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perhaps people who are aggressive (violent) with their dogs end up with aggressive dogs...that I could totally see.


mine start all over the map and all end up on a pretty similar wavelength after som' time :)
 

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perhaps people who are aggressive (violent) with their dogs end up with aggressive dogs...that I could totally see.


mine start all over the map and all end up on a pretty similar wavelength after som' time :)
That's how I read the article. People who use strong physical, aversive training methods (milan style) end up with more reactive, aggressive dogs.
 

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It makes sense to me - think of it in relation to children's behavior as well. If you raise a dog/child with physical aversives, they tend to react the same way, since that is the reaction they themselves have seen and been the victim of.

There are always exceptions. I think that it's disgusting that we are still living in an era where people feel the need to "dominate" their dogs.

When I think of my dogs' reactions to certain situations, I have something in common with all of them. Noodle and Rocket want to get to know people on their own terms, same as me. Allie is a perfectionist who doesn't take criticism that well. Ruby likes to control other dogs and their reactions.
 

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It's so crazy to me that a "study" has to be made to get a point across to people. The sad thing is, that the Milan "cultists" won't believe it, no matter who has conducted the study...they'll poo poo the study or say that the owners weren't "doing it right." They've got their heads so far up their arses, they'll never get it.

It is incredibly sad to know that there are still so many people still buying into this dominance myth and who think they have to use such aversives to keep their little fur pals in line....or "in their place."

I was just talking last night with my daughter and a friend of hers from her work. They were both talking about a co-worker who was describing how his dog was starting to growl and bite when he got close to the dog's food or tried to take it away. When asked what he did, he said, "I hit the dog. I will take the dog's food if I want to because I am the boss. If he growls, I take the food away." (for punishment) No freakin' wonder his dog is bitiing! It just infuriates me. These morons like this don't have one little speck of common sense. It IS just common sense, after all. They're so hung up on dominance and showing the dog who's boss, they are blind to anything else. It's just disgusting!
 

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This is one of the reasons a friend pointed me to this forum. I had gotten just so tired of listening to the Milan disciples on another forum.

I'm glad you joined Chaz. Welcome! Yup....their "calm submissive," "energy," "alpha," "pack leader" mumbo jumbo sure gets tiring, doesn't it. Then when some of us say that you don't need punishment or intimidation to train a dog, they accuse us of being permissive or not setting boundaries. That is just so inaccurate. You get nowhere trying to discuss behavior of dogs with this "flat earth society."

Hope you like it here better!:)
 

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Hmm.. I dont know. Maybe if a owner is always mad, the dog then feels a need to be in protective mode so to speak. Therefore, if a dog feels threatened by his/her owners attitude, he/she could possibly be more likely to be in an aggressive state more often?

Maybe?
 

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