I should just neuter him... right?

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Hey everybody, I have a semi-long story to tell here, so please bear with me. => I think I already know the answer, but I'd like some input!
My sheltie, Auggie, is just over 6 months old (by, like, two days or something like that.) We bought Auggie from a lovely breeder, mostly as a companion, but I told her I was also interested in agility. She recommended we wait until he was one year old before we neuter, just to give all his joints plenty of time to form and grow.

We took Auggie in today because he retained one of his baby teeth. I wanted them to take a quick look, and they confirmed it would have to be removed under anasethesia. We got to talking about doing the neuter at 1 year, and the vet wanted to do a quick check of his testicles to see how everything was going.
I'm not *entirely* clear on technical terms for the problem (my head started buzzing with concern, and I've forgotten most of what she said now) but from what I understand, one of his testicles either hasn't fully dropped, or might recede back up..? Basically, she said we could wait on the surgery, but if his testicle DID go back up, it would be a more severe surgery, an abdominal surgery that would be almost more like a spay.
The vet didn't tell us we should do the neuter RIGHT NOW, THIS MINUTE - she really didn't even come close to recommending it, she just wanted us fully informed on the situation. She told us we could wait, and who knows what would happen, there could be no problems later.

BUT WAIT, it doesn't stop there! We also took Auggie in to get a foot checked out, because last week he was limping on it one day, and ever since we've noticed he stands a little funny. There's nothing really physically *wrong,* but the vet DID say almost right off the bat - and we'd been wondering a little about it - that he has a "short toe." I thought she called it something that started with a c, or an s, but all I can find on the web is "drachydactyly." Auggie is apparently missing a bone in his outside toe that makes it shorter, on both front paws. It doesn't seem to be bothering him or slowing him down any, but I wonder if it may become a problem later on the agility course. There's no way of knowing, really... he still runs like a bat out of hell so I almost feel like it won't affect him.

So the situation is this:
The vet wasn't so concerned as to recommend immediate neutering. However, Auggie *needs* to go under to have a tooth removed (which MUST be done, and within the next couple of weeks unless the baby tooth works it's way out on it's own.) and will have his microchip done at the same time (which will make me rest a tiny bit easier!)
But if we DO neuter now, will it affect his agility future? And is that worth worrying about, since his short toe might affect that *anyway?*

My gut is telling me I should neuter him now. (Oh, and they told me he'd have to stay at the hospital overnight for that! OMG!! I've never been away from my baby longer than a few hours before! *cries* ;) ) I also need to talk to his breeder and let her know about the short toe, and will be asking her opinion and advice too.
But I wanted other inputs (or to hear somebody else say "Do it, it'll be okay!!") What do you guys think? And do you know what the term is for his short toe..?
 

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Beanie said:
Basically, she said we could wait on the surgery, but if his testicle DID go back up, it would be a more severe surgery, an abdominal surgery that would be almost more like a spay.
The vet didn't tell us we should do the neuter RIGHT NOW, THIS MINUTE - she really didn't even come close to recommending it, she just wanted us fully informed on the situation. She told us we could wait, and who knows what would happen, there could be no problems later.
I personally would go ahead and have him neutered....that way you wouldnt have to worry about a more serious operation later on it anything did happen and if it might go back up...I dont think neutering would have any affect on agility....
 

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I would neuter him as well. It will probably be easier all round.
 

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I agree, it would be easier on you and Auggie to get his snip while he's under. Especially since there is an issue with his testicles.

Neutering him should not affect his growth at 6 months, it could, but I would not worry. We're getting Fozzie neutered at 6 months, and they are checking his elbows and hips while he's under. I definitely recommend that for Auggie, hip & elbow issues have way more of an affect on performance than joints. Usually, it's large & giant breeds that we worry about when they're neutered young. Just make sure he gets great nutrition, and he grows at a gradual pace... switching him to a premium adult/all life stages food will help that.
 
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You sound like you love your baby very much, which is soo nice to see.

I would say, you should neuter him now, that way he is put out only once for everything and you do not run the risk of the more severe surgery later.

I know its sad to leave them at the vets office over night, I just went through it 2 months ago, but once they are home and better, everythings great!

Good Luck

Elissa
 

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If he's got to go under anyway, I would go ahead and do it. It won't have an effect on the agility course as long as you realize that he shouldn't go full out until he's over a year old.
 

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I agree have him neutered.. But what I don't understand is the breeder saying to let him go for a year before neutering him at all because of health reasons! I've never heard of that before... Does anyone know if there's any truth to back that up?
 
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If you had intentions of nuetering him then you might as well get it over with while he's already under. It shouldn't effect his agility, a dog's personality and motivation is what matters. I am not getting my puppy nuetered because I prefer the testosterone build-up when doing drive work, but thats just me. It gives them more of an attitude but if I were to get him nuetered he will see be able to perform the same task. I just prefer their spunky little attitudes when they are intact.
 
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You might double check with the vet on her opinion on the testicle. I have known dogs whose testicle didn't drop until a little later than that but I have never seen any go back up? Are you sure that was what they said? It by far an easier surgery if they drop. If the testicle is in the groin, if she felt it then it is still not that big a deal but if it is in the abdomen she wouldn't have been able to feel it and it probably wont come down by this age and yes, it can be a more involved surgery, the testicle is always a great deal undersized and can be hard to find. That may be why she thought it was ok to wait a little while to see what nature would do.
As far as the toe, it should not be an issue for him at all. It won't slow him down or make him any less sure footed. I wouldn't worry.
The sedation to remove one baby tooth and to do a microchip is extremely minor and he will be up on his feet again within about 20 minutes or so. Much different than that for a neuter so I wouldn't worry about doing this in stages if I were you.
He is lucky to have such a loving and caring owner!
 
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That is a hard call. I like neutering and spaying after the dog is fully developed but if the surgery is would be more severe then I dont know. You dont want that to happen. Have you talked to your breeder? I would also get a second opinion. I definately would not breed this animal. I would take him to a holistic vet.
 

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The growth plates close later for the neutered dog. Something about the sex hormones and the growth plates. Easy to Google. The working dog people don't neuter until 2 years because they want the males to develop the masculine body with as much muscle as possible.

If you do neuter wait until the growth plates are closed before high impact agility jumps. I run my 6 month old puppy on 6 inch jumps right now. She almost walks over them.
 

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Blackpuppy, my BC was neutered at 1 year, and he has great hips/elbows and no joint issues at all after doing Agility/Flyball/Frizbee. He's almost 5 now and very healthy. I think different working people have different opinions on this... for giant breeds, yes, waiting until 2 years is definitely a wise decision. But for small/medium breeds, whose growth begins to taper off at 6 months, I would not expect any joint issues just based on neutering. =/ It's up to the OP though.
 

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