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Feral cats are pretty much a man made problem, so I assume you are not suggesting that you are blaming poor ferals. The responsibility first and foremost has to lay with PEOPLE that are responsible for the feral cat tragedy. I know morons who let their UNNEUTERED/UNSPAYED cats run around without supervisions, directly adding to the cat/feral overpopulation. In my city, it is out of control and these ferals suffer tremendously, whether by being poisoned, frozen to death, injured, etc etc
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Yes, me an "irresponsible" cat owner because my cats are allowed outside, actually does something good for my cities cat overpopulation. lol. Who would have known? Any cat allowed outside is obviously not a loved pet.
Yes, my city does NOT pay for it. The rescues, and individual people (Like myself with help of my friend, who puts traps in her families and neighbor's yards) are the ones paying for it. I mainly focus on the females. If I trap a feral male, i will let it go. Since I am paying out of my pocket, i currently only do females. They are the ones who carry the kittens..they are my top priority. Our current task is my neighbor's aunts yard. Tons and tons of ferals in her area. That is where Squirt (My little deformed girl who passed away at 5 months) came from.
Yes, my city does NOT pay for it. The rescues, and individual people (Like myself with help of my friend, who puts traps in her families and neighbor's yards) are the ones paying for it. I mainly focus on the females. If I trap a feral male, i will let it go. Since I am paying out of my pocket, i currently only do females. They are the ones who carry the kittens..they are my top priority. Our current task is my neighbor's aunts yard. Tons and tons of ferals in her area. That is where Squirt (My little deformed girl who passed away at 5 months) came from.
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I'd like to hear more about this. Why is it that letting dogs roam around unsupervised is thought of as unacceptable to most people, yet some of these same people have no problem letting their cats roam around unsupervised.
What makes it okay for cats and not okay for dogs?
(In case my position was not stated in this thread, I am with the "cats should not roam outside unsupervised" camp. As I think I mentioned earlier, I believe that we have a responsibility to ensure not only that our pets are stimulated and happy, but also that they are safe. But I would still like to hear more about the mentality that dogs are different so as to understand this argument a bit better. Thanks.).
What makes it okay for cats and not okay for dogs?
(In case my position was not stated in this thread, I am with the "cats should not roam outside unsupervised" camp. As I think I mentioned earlier, I believe that we have a responsibility to ensure not only that our pets are stimulated and happy, but also that they are safe. But I would still like to hear more about the mentality that dogs are different so as to understand this argument a bit better. Thanks.).
because dogs are a THREAT to people. Dogs wander FAR, all over. In everyone's yards. I haven't met any cat in this neighborhood that will wander in every single person's yards..Peeing on everything in their front yard. Barking at anyone when they walk out of their house.
I don't think its okay to let dogs wander. I wouldn't let my dogs wander. My dogs would be gone in seconds if they got out of the yard. They would be dead most likely.
Cats don't wander all over the place like dogs do. Sure, you can try and say cats from 4 blocks away come into your yard (But I know thats not true lol). Maybe you immediate neighbors cats go in your yard. But dogs are all over the place, and DANGEROUS when uncontrolled.
I don't think its okay to let dogs wander. I wouldn't let my dogs wander. My dogs would be gone in seconds if they got out of the yard. They would be dead most likely.
Cats don't wander all over the place like dogs do. Sure, you can try and say cats from 4 blocks away come into your yard (But I know thats not true lol). Maybe you immediate neighbors cats go in your yard. But dogs are all over the place, and DANGEROUS when uncontrolled.
ugh, I gotta go right now. I didn't get much sleep last night, so I am really TOO tired to look at the computer screen anymore, its hurting my eyes. So hopefully when I come back online probably not until tomorrow I don't have too many hateful responses to respond too lol. (As you can tell, just cause people think I am evil cause my cats go outside for a few hours a day unsupervised, it doesn't really phase me. I know in my situation..I'm right. That is all I need to know).
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So what if there is a dog, let's call him Fluffy, who is a submissive, tiny dog, that poses no threat to even an ant (you know what I mean). A completely harmless dog that is not barky, will not run up to people, has zero prey drive, etc etc.
Would you be okay with letting said Fluffy run around unsupervised?
Would you be okay with letting said Fluffy run around unsupervised?
I have had cats for more years than I have dogs. No they are not the same. But most aspects of pet ownership apply to both.
AND in my case.. if my dogs need space and don't get some down time they are likely to severly injure each other. Cats generally don't kill each other.
Being responsible and accountable for your pet is the same whether its a horse, a goat, a cat, a dog, a snake etc...
You keep them contained and you keep them safe.. if not you risk mangled pets and law suits (in most civilized countries)
AND in my case.. if my dogs need space and don't get some down time they are likely to severly injure each other. Cats generally don't kill each other.
Being responsible and accountable for your pet is the same whether its a horse, a goat, a cat, a dog, a snake etc...
You keep them contained and you keep them safe.. if not you risk mangled pets and law suits (in most civilized countries)
I have asked this a few times and have been told its different with cats.
Punky.. NO one is being hateful. No one is hating anyone or anything. All we are doing is voicing concerns. If you find it difficult looking after 23 cats well then you need to change something. This is not about you personally.
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I don't care if the cat is from Florida and traveled a zillion miles on foot to get in my yard....the point is, it's MY yard.
Why does it matter where it come from? Does it's pee smell better if it traveled further?
And cats ARE a threat. They spread disease, they soil things that belong to me, they antagonize my dogs, they kill my birds.
I just don't understand why people are still debating that cats should be able to do whatever they want because "they aren't dogs."
I'm quite literally fed the fck up with cats in my yard now after seeing the umpteenth cat dig a spot in the leaves, squat and leave another pile for me to step in or my dogs to try to eat when they go out. I have to go out and clean it up now before one of my dogs gets it first. Again.
As sad as it is, I've come to the conclusion that I will start trapping these cats and having animal control come dispose of them. This thread has made me realize that apparently the people who own them think it's their god given right to have their animals destroy my property. Well, it's not, and if the owners aren't going to take care of them then *I* am not going to be bothered with them anymore either. At least if the county destroys them, it will be a much more humane death than if my dogs do, or they get poisoned, shot or hit by a car.
I'm done with this thread too. This is useless. Everyone will do what they want to do regardless.
Why does it matter where it come from? Does it's pee smell better if it traveled further?
And cats ARE a threat. They spread disease, they soil things that belong to me, they antagonize my dogs, they kill my birds.
I just don't understand why people are still debating that cats should be able to do whatever they want because "they aren't dogs."
I'm quite literally fed the fck up with cats in my yard now after seeing the umpteenth cat dig a spot in the leaves, squat and leave another pile for me to step in or my dogs to try to eat when they go out. I have to go out and clean it up now before one of my dogs gets it first. Again.
As sad as it is, I've come to the conclusion that I will start trapping these cats and having animal control come dispose of them. This thread has made me realize that apparently the people who own them think it's their god given right to have their animals destroy my property. Well, it's not, and if the owners aren't going to take care of them then *I* am not going to be bothered with them anymore either. At least if the county destroys them, it will be a much more humane death than if my dogs do, or they get poisoned, shot or hit by a car.
I'm done with this thread too. This is useless. Everyone will do what they want to do regardless.
WOW. Just WOW....
I grew up with cats that were indoor out door cats (all fixed) Trust me the majority WOULD travel. I had one who would open peoples screens and come in their houses, he would also run into peoples houses when they opened their doors. People all over thought he was a stray (he always ate like he had never seen food) even though he was fixed and in great health.
Most of our cats went at least 5-6 houses away.
As for dogs.. no not all dogs run all over the place. Unfortunately I do know of dogs who run loose. they generally stay within 3 properties.
And as for cats not a threat. Umm well I can tell you I have been attacked by loose pet cats. Twice.. not common but it can happen. And are you saying most people's dogs are threats?
I grew up with cats that were indoor out door cats (all fixed) Trust me the majority WOULD travel. I had one who would open peoples screens and come in their houses, he would also run into peoples houses when they opened their doors. People all over thought he was a stray (he always ate like he had never seen food) even though he was fixed and in great health.
Most of our cats went at least 5-6 houses away.
As for dogs.. no not all dogs run all over the place. Unfortunately I do know of dogs who run loose. they generally stay within 3 properties.
And as for cats not a threat. Umm well I can tell you I have been attacked by loose pet cats. Twice.. not common but it can happen. And are you saying most people's dogs are threats?
I just have to chime in my experience with neighbor's cats.
I've known one neighbor whose cats never wandered far. Their tom cat got hit by a car and survived and later was killed by a bus.
Nikki was attacked not once, but TWICE by cats when she was a puppy. Once she was in my grandma's back yard and the cat literally leapt the fence and scratched her eye. The second time she was on a leash and it rushed at her. (At the time it was a lot bigger than her)
One of our neighbors found another neighbor's cat INSIDE their closet. She went to open her closet and the cat jumped out at her. This cat was from a completely other street.
I used to couldn't play in the sandbox because it was full of cat feces. Not at my house or my grandmas.
My car has many times had cat footprints all over it from a neighbor's cat walking on it.
Josie was actually scratched by a cat that belonged to the next door neighbors that was on our porch when we got home one night.
I dunno, doesn't seem like isolated incidents to me.
I don't think these are isolated incidents. I firmly support any legislations requiring cats to be supervised or contained/leashed like dogs. I think it is very rude and irresponsible to let your cats/other animals get on other people's property and annoy them.
Luckily my neighbors here have gotten very responsible with their cats. I never see the two cats outside anymore (they found them as strays so it took a while for the transition) My old houses though were awful.
I've known one neighbor whose cats never wandered far. Their tom cat got hit by a car and survived and later was killed by a bus.
Nikki was attacked not once, but TWICE by cats when she was a puppy. Once she was in my grandma's back yard and the cat literally leapt the fence and scratched her eye. The second time she was on a leash and it rushed at her. (At the time it was a lot bigger than her)
One of our neighbors found another neighbor's cat INSIDE their closet. She went to open her closet and the cat jumped out at her. This cat was from a completely other street.
I used to couldn't play in the sandbox because it was full of cat feces. Not at my house or my grandmas.
My car has many times had cat footprints all over it from a neighbor's cat walking on it.
Josie was actually scratched by a cat that belonged to the next door neighbors that was on our porch when we got home one night.
I dunno, doesn't seem like isolated incidents to me.
I don't think these are isolated incidents. I firmly support any legislations requiring cats to be supervised or contained/leashed like dogs. I think it is very rude and irresponsible to let your cats/other animals get on other people's property and annoy them.
Luckily my neighbors here have gotten very responsible with their cats. I never see the two cats outside anymore (they found them as strays so it took a while for the transition) My old houses though were awful.