I feel like such a horrible person right now.
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Well.. I can see it.
As someone correctly pointed out if someone new came on here and said the exact same thing I can already SEE the kind of response they would get.
It is amazing the difference having access to guns in everyday life makes.
They become a normal household object, for you to use whenever you please.
Personally I was disgusted she shot the dog, and didn't add to this thread as I could see that most people seem ok with it. And yes, to me I thought - well, yeah, maybe you aren't bad - but perhaps a little unthinking.
And the dog, from what I gather, was not "just about to attack".
I personally would have found an alternative. I would NOT have been alone, and if I had been and the dog was there, I would have been INDOORS till I could plan it out.
There is no animal control - as you mentioned. So what measures where taken to see what normally happens in these circumstances? Or is it always shoot now, ask later?
Sorry. But I can't pat someone on the back for the actions that were taken, which so many of you seem capable of doing.
Remorse is fantastic, but it didn't stop you picking up a gun and shooting a creature.
As someone correctly pointed out if someone new came on here and said the exact same thing I can already SEE the kind of response they would get.
It is amazing the difference having access to guns in everyday life makes.
They become a normal household object, for you to use whenever you please.
Personally I was disgusted she shot the dog, and didn't add to this thread as I could see that most people seem ok with it. And yes, to me I thought - well, yeah, maybe you aren't bad - but perhaps a little unthinking.
And the dog, from what I gather, was not "just about to attack".
I personally would have found an alternative. I would NOT have been alone, and if I had been and the dog was there, I would have been INDOORS till I could plan it out.
There is no animal control - as you mentioned. So what measures where taken to see what normally happens in these circumstances? Or is it always shoot now, ask later?
Sorry. But I can't pat someone on the back for the actions that were taken, which so many of you seem capable of doing.
Remorse is fantastic, but it didn't stop you picking up a gun and shooting a creature.
From what I understand the dog has been a problem for a while. Breeze had tried various other methods. This was a dangerous animal that was causing her own dog to be unsafe in his own yard.
I have pulled my gun on a dog that had Lilly cornered under a root, thank God she was small enough to get away. The agressor was a Staffie, his owner was standing right there laughing. Well that laugh fell right off his face when I pulled my gun and held it 10 cm from his dogs head and told him to remove the animal.
Breeze, let me tell you this, I would have undoubtably pulled the trigger had that man not removed his dog or if it had been unsupervised. I am glad it did not come to that but I know in my heart that if it comes down to my dogs life vs anothers, I would pull the trigger.
The reason Breeze is not being flamed is because she did what she had to as a last resort. She also did not post to brag, she did not title her thread "Ha ha just shot the crap outa nieghbours dog". She genuinly feels horrible.
She is not trigger happy, she is responsible with her fire arm. I was also taught to shoot at a young age and made my first kill at age 6. It was a Guinni Fowl BTW. I also shot a baboon who was burned from a forest fire and had come into our garden to look for food. My one dog was out and cornered him. My mom heard the noise and called me, I got the gun and shot him before he hurt my mom or my dog.
Was it nice, no, was it right, yes.
The reason people are not flaming her is because she did no wrong. She protected what was hers and possibly others too!
I have pulled my gun on a dog that had Lilly cornered under a root, thank God she was small enough to get away. The agressor was a Staffie, his owner was standing right there laughing. Well that laugh fell right off his face when I pulled my gun and held it 10 cm from his dogs head and told him to remove the animal.
Breeze, let me tell you this, I would have undoubtably pulled the trigger had that man not removed his dog or if it had been unsupervised. I am glad it did not come to that but I know in my heart that if it comes down to my dogs life vs anothers, I would pull the trigger.
The reason Breeze is not being flamed is because she did what she had to as a last resort. She also did not post to brag, she did not title her thread "Ha ha just shot the crap outa nieghbours dog". She genuinly feels horrible.
She is not trigger happy, she is responsible with her fire arm. I was also taught to shoot at a young age and made my first kill at age 6. It was a Guinni Fowl BTW. I also shot a baboon who was burned from a forest fire and had come into our garden to look for food. My one dog was out and cornered him. My mom heard the noise and called me, I got the gun and shot him before he hurt my mom or my dog.
Was it nice, no, was it right, yes.
The reason people are not flaming her is because she did no wrong. She protected what was hers and possibly others too!
I think she did the only thing she had to do. I wish you had other options instead of taking this in your own hands because I can see that this is a decision you did not want to have to make.
I do think that this kind of incident is more prevalent in different areas then others but not necessarily north or south of the US but rather a rural, suburban and city difference. I'm fortunate to live in a small town where AC comes as soon as possible when called for such an incident.
I actually had to call them last summer because of an aggressive dog theorizing my nephew (who was visiting). When I went outside to shoo it away it did a fake attack charge towards me. I slowly went in the house with my nephew, thank God my son, other nephew and dogs where in the fenced yard. Once we were in the house the dog then laid down at the end of our driveway. After trying to reach the neighbors who owned the dog to let them know he got loose again but not being able to reach them I then call AC. By the time AC arrived the dog had left and gone home so the AC went over and he did witness how aggressive he was. Eventually my neighbors decided to relinquish the dog to the HS, I don't think HS could have rehabilitated him, best thing would have been to humanly put him down.
I’m glade I live somewhere where I don’t have to take things in my own hands, but even if I did I really don’t think I could have shot the dog. But you never know, I may not have shot him but if he went after my son or dogs I definitely would have done what ever I could in my power to stop him.
I do think that this kind of incident is more prevalent in different areas then others but not necessarily north or south of the US but rather a rural, suburban and city difference. I'm fortunate to live in a small town where AC comes as soon as possible when called for such an incident.
I actually had to call them last summer because of an aggressive dog theorizing my nephew (who was visiting). When I went outside to shoo it away it did a fake attack charge towards me. I slowly went in the house with my nephew, thank God my son, other nephew and dogs where in the fenced yard. Once we were in the house the dog then laid down at the end of our driveway. After trying to reach the neighbors who owned the dog to let them know he got loose again but not being able to reach them I then call AC. By the time AC arrived the dog had left and gone home so the AC went over and he did witness how aggressive he was. Eventually my neighbors decided to relinquish the dog to the HS, I don't think HS could have rehabilitated him, best thing would have been to humanly put him down.
I’m glade I live somewhere where I don’t have to take things in my own hands, but even if I did I really don’t think I could have shot the dog. But you never know, I may not have shot him but if he went after my son or dogs I definitely would have done what ever I could in my power to stop him.
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Thank You to the few people who have been courageous enough to agree with the double standard posts and for the PM's I got in support.
To everyone who has made the comment that we are on some "high horse" because we do not agree with shooting a dog, my original point was that I am not saying the OP is def. a horrible person, I was just saying that their was a lack of judgment there. I guess it does go back to guns being too much of a household object (credit to whoever said this, cant remember now). If I was in this situation, I would have removed myself and any of pets from the situation, I would not have had the quick access to a gun to do something rash without thinking.
What if I decided to shoot one of the many rotties and pits in my neighborhood and just as I shot, one of the small children that usually walks them had run up behind them, and stepped in the way of the bullet? I guess I would be protecting myself and everyone on here would support me as I headed off to jail on murder charges?
PLEASE everyone stop telling me what I would do. I did have a dog attacked many years ago, she required many very expensive surgeries. I approached the situation very differently... This dog was EVERYTHING to me, but I valued the life of the dog who attacked her as well.
Obviously, I would value my pets life first and I may have to take some physical action in order to stop an attacking dog. But killing another living dog is just not something **I** could ever do. However, I am going to rest my case on that subject and if others are okay with it, then fine.
I would like to know however what would happen if a person came onto your property and attacked your family members?
Elissa
To everyone who has made the comment that we are on some "high horse" because we do not agree with shooting a dog, my original point was that I am not saying the OP is def. a horrible person, I was just saying that their was a lack of judgment there. I guess it does go back to guns being too much of a household object (credit to whoever said this, cant remember now). If I was in this situation, I would have removed myself and any of pets from the situation, I would not have had the quick access to a gun to do something rash without thinking.
What if I decided to shoot one of the many rotties and pits in my neighborhood and just as I shot, one of the small children that usually walks them had run up behind them, and stepped in the way of the bullet? I guess I would be protecting myself and everyone on here would support me as I headed off to jail on murder charges?
PLEASE everyone stop telling me what I would do. I did have a dog attacked many years ago, she required many very expensive surgeries. I approached the situation very differently... This dog was EVERYTHING to me, but I valued the life of the dog who attacked her as well.
Obviously, I would value my pets life first and I may have to take some physical action in order to stop an attacking dog. But killing another living dog is just not something **I** could ever do. However, I am going to rest my case on that subject and if others are okay with it, then fine.
I would like to know however what would happen if a person came onto your property and attacked your family members?
Elissa
I would do the same thing that many of my friends and even family have done. Shoot the person.
I have a friend who shot a man in his house. He fell into the bathroom and bled out there. The police commented that it was a good thing he bled out on tiles.
My father has trained me to shoot to kill if someone is in my house. Then to fire a warning shot afterwards. If the police see two shots you are fine.
I do acknowlege that South Africa is different to the States, but I would not hesitate to shoot a person who wanted to do my family or myself harm.
I have a friend who shot a man in his house. He fell into the bathroom and bled out there. The police commented that it was a good thing he bled out on tiles.
My father has trained me to shoot to kill if someone is in my house. Then to fire a warning shot afterwards. If the police see two shots you are fine.
I do acknowlege that South Africa is different to the States, but I would not hesitate to shoot a person who wanted to do my family or myself harm.
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Hmmm...
I've been thinking about this and while, Breeze, I can not pat you on the back, nor say "poor you," I think I can finally understand.
The area where I am originally from had an absentee AC. They didn't care about people, much less animals. Sure, you could call the police or the sheriff but they shrugged it off to AC and there you were again.. with a problem and no one from the "law" to help. So..people took it into their own hands and I'm sure many animals died.
The law is not always available... sometimes you have to take your life into your hands and simply do something about it. While I don't think I could shoot a dog (I'm honestly not sure, the thought terrifies me) I do know that I will do whatever is within my power to protect me and mine. Whatever is in my power.
Just a few short says ago I was hitting a dog with a chuck it...trying to do anything to distract it and get it off of my dog. This dog had a grip like no other... he was powerful. He was simply strong but he was attacking my baby and it finally took me the point of absolute anger to use all of strength to get him off. Do I feel bad about hitting that dog? Nope. Do I feel bad that I was yelling at it? Nope. Would I do it again? You betcha.
With that said, I don't believe in guns, nor will there ever be a gun in my household, but I have a perfect right hook and I can fight like no other.
I've been thinking about this and while, Breeze, I can not pat you on the back, nor say "poor you," I think I can finally understand.
The area where I am originally from had an absentee AC. They didn't care about people, much less animals.
Sure, you could call the police or the sheriff but they shrugged it off to AC and there you were again.. with a problem and no one from the "law" to help. So..people took it into their own hands and I'm sure many animals died. The law is not always available... sometimes you have to take your life into your hands and simply do something about it. While I don't think I could shoot a dog (I'm honestly not sure, the thought terrifies me) I do know that I will do whatever is within my power to protect me and mine. Whatever is in my power.
Just a few short says ago I was hitting a dog with a chuck it...trying to do anything to distract it and get it off of my dog. This dog had a grip like no other... he was powerful. He was simply strong but he was attacking my baby and it finally took me the point of absolute anger to use all of strength to get him off. Do I feel bad about hitting that dog? Nope. Do I feel bad that I was yelling at it? Nope. Would I do it again? You betcha.
With that said, I don't believe in guns, nor will there ever be a gun in my household, but I have a perfect right hook and I can fight like no other.
As I have said I believe it should have been have been a last resort. She posted hours before about the dog in her yard and almost being bit. At that point she could have planned what she could do the next time she had to take her dog out.
It is also my understanding that the dog was not in full attack. I find it hard to believe that a pellet gun, a warning shot, or pepper spray would not deter the dog. I have been able to seperate full on dog fights without lethal force. I have been confronted by dogs that looked like they were about to attack me and was able to difuse the situation without lethal force.
Part of being a gun owner is knowing when the appropriate time is to use it. IMO this was not. At least not by what we know.
As far as no animal control being there. I would have called the police and would have asked the neighbors to call every single time that dog was out. From my understanding this problem has been going on for awhile. If the police are called constantly by several neighbors every day I am sure something could have been done.
And for those who say I would just rather give up or let the dog kill my dog....very untrue. I never said I would never ever shoot a dog, but just as a last resort. Being a experience dog owner and gun owner I can see several different options.
I have no harsh feelings for you darkchild, it is not about like or not like, I am just sad because I think there were other alternatives.
And to Cowgurl, thank your husband for me. I see way to many police officers that shoot dogs before seeking non lethal methods. He sounds like a good guy.
It is also my understanding that the dog was not in full attack. I find it hard to believe that a pellet gun, a warning shot, or pepper spray would not deter the dog. I have been able to seperate full on dog fights without lethal force. I have been confronted by dogs that looked like they were about to attack me and was able to difuse the situation without lethal force.
Part of being a gun owner is knowing when the appropriate time is to use it. IMO this was not. At least not by what we know.
As far as no animal control being there. I would have called the police and would have asked the neighbors to call every single time that dog was out. From my understanding this problem has been going on for awhile. If the police are called constantly by several neighbors every day I am sure something could have been done.
And for those who say I would just rather give up or let the dog kill my dog....very untrue. I never said I would never ever shoot a dog, but just as a last resort. Being a experience dog owner and gun owner I can see several different options.
I have no harsh feelings for you darkchild, it is not about like or not like, I am just sad because I think there were other alternatives.
And to Cowgurl, thank your husband for me. I see way to many police officers that shoot dogs before seeking non lethal methods. He sounds like a good guy.
Sorry I'm not trying to be a jerk or sound rude but okay I'm trying to understand all this and the way people down south handle things. This isn't the first time I've been on a forum where someone reported there dog got shot and killed or someone had to shoot and kill a stray dog on there property. This is 2006 and I can't understand why people down south have to still resort to that kind of violence on animals or humans for that matter. Are you so far out of civilization that going trigger happy is okay and acceptable . So far away in the country that nobody cares about animals and lets you handle things on your own. It really blows my mind that we all live in the USA and yet it seems like a whole other world or country in the south (some parts) especially after seeing all those poor people from the hurricane in Louisiana. I never knew so many people were not so well off and poor there until the hurricane and the way they treated there animals. From what I understand dogs and cats just roam and multiply everywhere because they don't spay/neuter or it is at least not a common thing that gets done. A good friend of mine from down south (louisiana) informed me of things and it saddended me. Anyways, I'm also sorry you had to resort to shooting a dog that was someones pet regardless if the owner did or didn't care. We could NEVER do things like that where I live or you go to jail for animal cruelty. Should be like that everywhere in the this great USA
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but okay I'm trying to understand all this and the way people down south handle things. This isn't the first time I've been on a forum where someone reported there dog got shot and killed or someone had to shoot and kill a stray dog on there property. This is 2006 and I can't understand why people down south have to still resort to that kind of violence on animals or humans for that matter. Are you so far out of civilization that going trigger happy is okay and acceptable . So far away in the country that nobody cares about animals and lets you handle things on your own. It really blows my mind that we all live in the USA and yet it seems like a whole other world or country in the south (some parts) especially after seeing all those poor people from the hurricane in Louisiana. I never knew so many people were not so well off and poor there until the hurricane and the way they treated there animals. From what I understand dogs and cats just roam and multiply everywhere because they don't spay/neuter or it is at least not a common thing that gets done. A good friend of mine from down south (louisiana) informed me of things and it saddended me. Anyways, I'm also sorry you had to resort to shooting a dog that was someones pet regardless if the owner did or didn't care. We could NEVER do things like that where I live or you go to jail for animal cruelty. Should be like that everywhere in the this great USA Off my soap box now
Yeah I'm still fairly shocked at this. I know here in Canada if this were to have happened, there would be charges pressed and the public would go wild about it.
There were other alternatives, the fact that it was known the dog was aggressive gave enough time to think of a different solution.
Call the police several times a day and say "There is an aggresive dog here, and if I see if again I'm going to call you then shoot it if you don't get here"
I bet you would have gotten a response to that.
There were other alternatives, the fact that it was known the dog was aggressive gave enough time to think of a different solution.
Call the police several times a day and say "There is an aggresive dog here, and if I see if again I'm going to call you then shoot it if you don't get here"
I bet you would have gotten a response to that.
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This is 2006 and I can't understand why people down south have to still resort to that kind of violence on animals or humans for that matter. Are you so far out of civilization that going trigger happy is okay and acceptable . So far away in the country that nobody cares about animals and lets you handle things on your own.
. So far away in the country that nobody cares about animals and lets you handle things on your own.
And yes, here people shoot loose dogs. Its legal. (I dont really agree with that if they're not wearing a rabies tag, and they're loose you can shoot them though. Agree with that if they are harassing you, you can.) Its not going trigger happy. Its protection.
thank you dogstar. I cant stand people callingme trigger happy becuas ei was protecting myself and my family. I just hope you who don't agree wiht me never 1) live as far out in the country as i do and 2) never get put in this postion. that is all i have to say along with
Thank you everybody who has stood up for me in the sense of being trigger happy and protecting me i relize you don't condone my actions but at least you looked past that to support me.
Thank you everybody who has stood up for me in the sense of being trigger happy and protecting me i relize you don't condone my actions but at least you looked past that to support me.
This is 2006 and I can't understand why people down south have to still resort to that kind of violence on animals or humans for that matter. Are you so far out of civilization that going trigger happy is okay and acceptable
As a military brat, I have lived in many places around the U.S. And this small "far out of civilization" city in Texas is the most non-violent place I have ever lived. And yes, most people own guns.
So people down south resort to violence? If you take a look, the cities with the highest murder/violent crime rates are mostly northern cities, such as Washington D.C., Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia.
And at least us poor, uncivilized, violent southerners can engage in a polite debate without bringing up offensive and untrue regional sterotypes.
i agree with you gem. you did that alot calmer then i could have that is why i left that one alone. lol
how many people who live in cities up north know how be responsible with a gun?? how many respect guns??
Us stupid, illiterate, violent southerners are taught to respect guns and gun safety, we do not go crazy around guns because we are taught from a young age how powerful and how to use them. That is alot better then i can say form the people i have known from teh north that did not grow up in a hunting family.
how many people who live in cities up north know how be responsible with a gun?? how many respect guns??
Us stupid, illiterate, violent southerners are taught to respect guns and gun safety, we do not go crazy around guns because we are taught from a young age how powerful and how to use them. That is alot better then i can say form the people i have known from teh north that did not grow up in a hunting family.
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