I feel like I failed him

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Well, the vet said Auggie's increase in eye boogers is probably not a food allergy, it's probably environmental and it isn't likely to go away. He said I could try Benadryl but I don't see any reason to put him on Benadryl every day just because he has more eye boogers than he used to.


Then we looked at his feet. I asked him if there's anything we could do. He looked at him for a while and then he said, well... not really... you can do surgery. But he also said he wouldn't recommend it. For one thing, he said usually they do surgery when the dog is young, which made me feel completely rotten like I should have been on top of this and done something years and years ago. I know that's not how he meant it but I felt horrible. Then he said the surgery is basically going to be things like breaking bones and trying to plate them so they will lay correctly, but the problem with that is that it isn't guaranteed to be successful and could actually end up making Auggie lame.

So basically, since Auggie doesn't really seem to be having any problems with it, we don't want to do that. It's not worth the risk.

I asked about splinting it and he said we could try it, but he doesn't think it will do much good. He thinks it will probably just fall incorrectly within the splint, and if we tried to force it to fall correctly, it would be painful for Auggie. He was picking up his leg and playing with the joint and his toes and said "even when I'm holding it in the air with no weight on it, the bones just want to fall this way." He said it would probably take a lot of x-rays to look at different things to see exactly what is going on to try and change anything. I'm not sure if they have a copy of the x-rays we took for OFA a few years back but I know when we took THOSE, there was nothing structurally wrong except the missing joint. I'm sort of curious to know what it would look like to compare those to if we took an x-ray now because I bet there is a structural difference now. =<


I almost started crying in the office because he was basically saying there's nothing I can do to stop it from getting worse, and if it does get worse then we'll have to decide if the surgery is worth it or not, because it could end up permanently breaking him. It doesn't mean our chiropractor won't have any ideas with acupuncture and stuff, so I'm going to ask her the next time I see her which is right before Louisville, but I'm not feeling very optimistic now because it seems like it's now become a structural issue where it wasn't before. I could still call the vet med school but I'm really hesitant to spend several hundred dollars for them to just suggest surgery, which I really don't think is the best option right now.


So now I feel like a crappy dog owner because I didn't do anything soon enough, even though realistically I know it never seemed bad enough it needed anything done until it was already "too late" anyway, and now I can't do anything except wait and see if it gets so bad he actually NEEDS surgery. As if this week weren't bad enough now I feel like I failed my little guy.

We are getting him a wrist wrap, mostly for support and just a basic one because we don't want to really be trying to push or force the joints and bones right now because it could hurt him, putting him on Gylco-Flex 2, and we'll just have to see what happens. The vet doesn't really expect it will keep getting worse but we never would have figured that a few years ago either. Arthritis in the wrist earlier than usual is something he thinks we'll probably see.
One way or another I'm guessing Auggie won't still be running agility at 14 like his grandma is.
 
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Awwww . . . . (((((((((HUGS))))))))) You didn't know and realistically how could you? Nothing showed up on the OFAs, after all.

You might want to think about starting him on a preventative maintenance dose of Cat's Claw to maybe head off possible arthritis in the future, or at least put it off a long way. Since you've got a holistic vet, maybe she will have some suggestions along those lines. Auggie is a lucky pup to have wound up being your dog. He knows it, too.
 

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((((HUGS))))

I had no idea that you and Auggie were dealing with this. I don't have any advice, but try not to beat yourself up. I am positive that Auggie does not feel like you failed him in any way, shape or form. He just loves you.
 

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Are there any musculosketal specialists locally? Here we have one and and I know two dogs, where a general vet said one thing and the specialist recommended something different that made all the difference to the dog. It might be worth asking around and getting a second opinion and at least advice about what to do now (supplements, exercises or whatever) to help with the future.
 

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I'm sorry to hear what you and Auggie are going through... I had no idea anything was wrong until now. Please don't think you failed Auggie. How could you have known? You couldn't have. I think most of us have been there as dog owners at some point over something. (((hugs)))
 

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I'm so sorry. You are an AMAZING mommy to Auggie, you didn't fail him. He obviously leads a great life and as long as he is happy, that's what is important. I hope you can get something figured out. *hugs*
 

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:nono: failing him would be... NEVER taking him to the vet, NEVER asking any of these questions, buying supports or guards, taking him to a chiropractor, acupuncture, etc etc.

:) You have NOT failed him! These things happen... and it totally sucks, but... it happens :(
((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))
 

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Thanks guys. I haven't really said anything but in the last year or so as I've been taking and posting pictures I've noticed it more and more, and I've sort of quietly been increasingly worried. Going through all those old pictures to put together his birthday post had me going "this is really weird, I think it does get worse." But I sort of thought I just knew what I was looking at/for so I was just imagining it. But last month, I was at the vet waiting for our chiropractor and Auggie's breeder was there with his dad, bro, and gramma, and another lady was in and was asking questions about them (they are all such superstars and attract attention for different reasons), and then she pointed at Auggie and went "does that one have a hurt foot?" Usually people don't notice until they really LOOK and she seemed to have noticed it almost right away, and that was when I really thought maybe it wasn't just in my head that it was getting worse.
It scares me that it was gradual and took me a while to really decide that yes, it has gotten worse. I'm sure I will be overly sensitive about it now and hopefully it won't just keep getting worse and worse without me really noticing but I still feel bad.

It's just going to be a matter of wait and see, and I hate that. He could be perfectly fine, there's just no way to know what will happen. But as a co-worker pointed out to me today, as of right now he is happy and healthy and as far as we can tell pain-free. It could be worse and there's no point getting upset over what might happen in the future when we have so much of the now to enjoy anyway.

Auggie's going to be SO MAD if one day he can't jump anymore, though.
 

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If you don't mind me asking, what's actually wrong with his foot? I guess I missed something.

In any case, hoping for the best for you both.
 

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Auggie is brachydactyl so rather than having extra joints like polydactyl cats, he's actually missing joints. One joint on the outer toe on each front paw. To compensate he has rotated one paw in so he balances on only two toes, and his leg and paw have become slightly twisted over the years. There's some pics in this thread:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t128956/
 

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Nikki had something similar go on with her though she was compensating for her severe arthritis in her feet. She ended up twisting her feet to rest on the outside toes. Her nails and everything got distorted because of it.

I hope there's something you can do for him. There really wasn't anything we could do for Nik other than to keep her on arthritis medicine. I always felt really bad about her feet too.
 

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I can't decide if it would be better for me to trim his nails really short. His nails aren't twisted (yet) but one of his pawpads has actually... kind of deformed I guess. Like it's calloused out and kind of changed shape so it can be flatter and more supportive under his twisted foot.
I have been trimming the short toe's nail very VERY short but allowing the others to be longer than some people would probably do because I think it might help him get a better grip on ground or astroturf since he's not really putting his full weight down on his entire paw. But this past month or so I've been toying with the idea of trimming them down short. I don't think they are in his way and making him twist it, but it's hard to tell which way I should go. =/ I guess I could go really short and see what happens. They will grow back if I decide longer is better.
 

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I can't decide if it would be better for me to trim his nails really short. His nails aren't twisted (yet) but one of his pawpads has actually... kind of deformed I guess. Like it's calloused out and kind of changed shape so it can be flatter and more supportive under his twisted foot.
I have been trimming the short toe's nail very VERY short but allowing the others to be longer than some people would probably do because I think it might help him get a better grip on ground or astroturf since he's not really putting his full weight down on his entire paw. But this past month or so I've been toying with the idea of trimming them down short. I don't think they are in his way and making him twist it, but it's hard to tell which way I should go. =/ I guess I could go really short and see what happens. They will grow back if I decide longer is better.
First, I'm sorry to hear about Auggie's feetsies! It doesn't sound like much fun for anyone involved!

Second, what matters is that you're doing something about it now.

Third, it's quite evident you love the little guy and you'll do whatever you can to help him out!

Fourth, have you heard of Adequan? It's a chrondoprotective product that we have a lot of success with at work. I've had a lot of personal success with it regarding Buzz's spondylosis. It's an injectable medication and has been used for the treatment of many different conditions in a few different ways. Our rehab specialist has us giving it subcutaneously, rather than intramuscularly... so it's evaluated on a case by case basis.

Good luck!
 

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Thanks for explaining...I don't have any advice but do offer all my sympathy and hopes that it doesn't get worse from here and you find a way forward.
 

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No, no...you did not fail him. You obviously love him very much. Sometimes we just don't realize things until it's too late. Just learn something dorm the experience and keep loving the he'll out of your dog and keep giving Auggie the best life you can.
 
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That sucks, but it is far from your fault. If you had known it was going to be an issue we all know you would have done anything to prevent it. Even if you had some idea of what was going on, there still may have been no way to prevent it. Yeah surgery, but if it wasn't bothering him much would you really opt for surgery knowing the risks? And if you had, there is/was no gaurentee.

You haven't failed that little dog, you've done everything that any of us would do.

As far as nails, that is a great idea. If you are worried about taking them short you coud just cut a little off at a time over the span of a few days. That way he has time to adjust, and if it starts to bother him then you can just let the grow back. They do this for horses with overgrown hooves (not saying his nails are too long, I know they are not) because they often go lame if you cut their hooves all the way back in one go.

*hugs*
 

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Fourth, have you heard of Adequan? It's a chrondoprotective product that we have a lot of success with at work. I've had a lot of personal success with it regarding Buzz's spondylosis. It's an injectable medication and has been used for the treatment of many different conditions in a few different ways. Our rehab specialist has us giving it subcutaneously, rather than intramuscularly... so it's evaluated on a case by case basis.
I haven't heard of it. I'll have to do some more googling around. Right now all I'm really seeing is stuff on arthritis and I'm sleepy, LOL.

Monday I should see his breeder and I was going to tell her what the vet said and ask her thoughts. If she thinks it's worth going to the ved med school, I'll make the appointment and take him in. It's another month before we see the chiropractor at this point so it'll be a while before I can get her take on it. We'll have to see what she wants to do, if she has any ideas.


Oh yeah, and hey, the good news is his hip joints felt "fantastic." Good thing dogs are primarily rear-powered vehicles.
 

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