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Also, she COMPLETELY ignores me when there are people around. Like, she won't come, or she will turn around and look at me when I say 'come' but she just goes back to 'lick attacking'. I actually have to go and physically grab her.
I've tried making her listen with treats, but seriously, she likes the people more than the treats most of the time.
 

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Leash her then - she cannot have the option to ignore you! Every time she learns that she can get away with the mugging (and even gets attention from people for it), it's that much more work you'll have to do to change that behavior chain.
 

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No i mean when you first got her and she was in her very pliable mind puppyness, did you take her out to meet people and stuff?

When she was very young did you have anything in mind for what you wanted her to do when she met people? If so what did you want her to do? Did you try to teach it? How did you try to teach it?

Also how are YOU when your friends come over? Are you excited and vocal when you see them? (i know how us girls can be, squeeing over friends we haven't seen much).
 

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Well then, forget the treats and use the people instead. BUT....it must not work to lick and be frenzied in order to go see the people. What only works is sitting for a greeting and no licking. It will take persistence on your part to do the exercises I summarized in my earlier post. And also, read up on doggie zen....self control. She'll get there. She may always be exuberant and wiggly and that's okay. It's her personality and you wouldn't want to squelch it. But she can learn behaviors that are more in line with Miss Manners. lol.
 

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Dogs like this are actually usually very fun and easy to train. They're enthusiastic, ready to go, go, go. Now she just needs to learn a little focus mixed in, some constructive ways to behave. She needs outlets for this energy that will satisfy that zoomie, licky, goofy personality. Does she like to play fetch? Does she like to chase moving objects? Like a rope with a pretend prey animal at the end that you drag around behind you? If she does like these types of games, you can again, get a helper, a bucket and the stuffed animal "prey." You have her on a line. The helper wiggles the toy, you call her to come. She doesn't come but goes to get the toy. The helper promptly puts the bucket over the toy. You call her to come. Use your happy, playful voice and run a little away. She comes. You hold her collar and then immediately release her to go get the prey that the bucket is just now coming off of. She gets to play/chase with it. If she doesn't come, you can give her a little nudge with the long line. But try to avoid forcing her. See if she'll come when she learns the toy is out of reach and it's boring....better off coming to you. Once she gets onto the game, she'll learn that she comes first when called. Then she gets to go chase the prey toy, mouth it, shake it or anything she likes.

Often times these obnoxious behaviors exist because they don't have any other outlet...an outlet that has some relation to what it is they're doing. If it's a prey thing, a prey game. If it's to do with grabbiness about food, then a food type exercise. If it's rushing the door to get out, then going out the door is the reward for self restraint. To me, this wild greeting behavior may have some prey/play ingredient to it...going after moving feet, jumping all over peoples' legs. She just has to learn that humans don't recognize this as greeting behvavior and to learn what they DO respond to. And just in case it has something to do with a prey or play kind of drive, then add in an outlet to satisfy that.
 

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Thanks everyone for all the constructive answers. I will try to implement some of these training techniques. I hope I can get my hubby on board with it too! Sometimes he doesn't want to train the same way I do...

I really think she has ADHD. She acts like a kid that has ADHD. Can dogs get it too??? Like she is SOOO distracted. Ridiculously distracted. You will have her focus for a second and she will want to do something else. Some things bore her very quickly.

My old JRT was NEVER this hyper and annoying around people. Ever. Even as a little puppy. She was also VERY focused at a young age. I keep thinking I must have changed my training techniques without knowing it...for that dog to be so obedient and this one to be so disobedient. !?
 

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I hope I can get my hubby on board with it too! Sometimes he doesn't want to train the same way I do...
Consistency IS very important. If not everyone is consistent with her training, the training will go MUCH more slowly!

I really think she has ADHD. She acts like a kid that has ADHD. Can dogs get it too???
It's not ADHD, it's being a young dog. Terriers are also known for being pretty high energy, so her breed is a big factor as well. If your past terriers were not hyper, then you were lucky. :)

I keep thinking I must have changed my training techniques without knowing it...for that dog to be so obedient and this one to be so disobedient. !?
Maybe the problem is that you have NOT changed training techniques. Not all dogs learn in the same ways, and hyper dogs are definately extremely different from laid-back dogs. This is why training classes can be very useful, because your trainer will be able to show you how to handle this dog, even though it may be different from how you handled the last dog.
 

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Honestly, what you're describing sounds pretty typical of what I have seen in Pugs (especially young Pugs). You've gotten a lot of good advice on here and I tend to agree - being too friendly isn't really a reason to consider giving up your dog. If it's that stressful to you and you are unwilling or unable to work on it, just put her away when you have company over.
 

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This is 100% normal puppy behavior. Not every puppy does it, but many many many of them do. If you don't teach them how to behave, they'll do it for the rest of their lives, but if you (And your husband and guests) are consistent, she will learn.

Have you tried keeping her on a leash when guests come over? And having them approach and pet her when she's sitting/calm but stepping back (out of her reach) when she is not?

It sounds like she doesn't get enough exercise. It also sounds like she doesn't have a very set schedule....both of those things will help a lot. And having some friends come over a few times a week for short training sessions would help, too (make sure they follow what you say. Call them and invite them over to help train Fidget, not just to visit, so they know what to expect).

If you can afford it, even just meeting once or twice with a trainer might help A TON. Also, our local humane society offers free training sessions for people who are considering rehoming a dog. You might want to look into that.
 

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How often do you feed her? If can arrange it so she's hungry when people come over and then feed her in her crate she is more likely to shut up and eat lol. I'm sure you can work something out.
 

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Also, she COMPLETELY ignores me when there are people around. Like, she won't come, or she will turn around and look at me when I say 'come' but she just goes back to 'lick attacking'. I actually have to go and physically grab her.
I've tried making her listen with treats, but seriously, she likes the people more than the treats most of the time.
She hasn't learned the skill of focusing on you without other people around. Baby steps. A kid usually doesn't learn trigonometry before learning to add and subtract. It's the same thing. Focusing, shutting out distractions, being more motivated by what you have to offer than she is about the excitement of other people hasn't happened yet. She needs lessons in a distraction free environment and making eye contact with you must be the most fun ever, the most rewarding thing...better than anything else that's going on. Take her in the most boring room of the house where there is nothing else going on...maybe the bathroom. Take her when she's almost ready for dinner and hungry, after a long walk where she's a little spent, but not too tired. Wait for her to look at you and click/treat/praise. Sometimes it helps to move a step or two to the left, then to the right. Movement attracts dogs to watch you more. Just one second of a glance at first, then gradually build up. When she starts finding that looking at you is really cool, THEN start adding a verbal cue. (not before) Try it in another room, once she's getting onto it. Then add a tiny distraction...a dropped toy, a weird sound, then when she's able to focus with that, add a little more distraction. Don't rush ahead of where she's successful too fast. If she fails, you've gone too far too soon. Once she gets into the habit of "watch me" when you ask and can do it in many contexts with a fair amount of distraction, try it with a person present. Set her up so she's more apt to succeed by making the reward as valuable as possible. How do you do that? When she's in need of food, when it's really stupendous food, when she has nothing better to do. Without reinforcement (something she LOVES) there is no training possible. Many repetitions must happen before she will get reliable. Not too much all at one time, but frequent, short sessions. One time here, one time there is good too.

So, taking an un-schooled dog into the midst of high levels of distractions, highly motivating things in the environment and asking for obedience is unrealistic. It's like putting the pencil in the 3rd grader's hand and telling him to solve a trigonometry problem and he hasn't learned his basic math very well yet is also unrealistic. Break things down into small parts, as small as you can and you'll get more correct resonses from your dog. Don't forget to reinforce for small triumphs, even if she's calm for one second. Catch it at that very instant. That's where the clicker training comes in so handy. It grabs that instant and tells her what she just did to get the reward. Otherwise the dog often misses the association because a second too many has past since the rewardable response. And she doesn't know which behavior you're rewarding. Mark it. A clicker or a special word you don't use otherwise. I use "Yesssssss!" Big on the S. You can read about clicker training to get a good start.
 

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I have to agree that giving up your dog for running around and licking guests is kind of ridiculous.

I would just put her on a leash when guests come over and let her go up and greet them on leash. If she's flipping out just drag her out of the room until she relaxes a little (sits down, makes eye contact). Then walk her back in. After you let her say hi on leash go sit down and keep her with you on the leash. If she starts barking or getting ridiculous take her back out until she calms back down. Yes it will be annoying and frustrating (for both of you) but if you are persistent it'll likely work.

Don't let her off the leash unless she calms down completely (lies on her side, settles down and chews a toy), which may or may not happen.
 

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Thanks again everyone. The info has been really helpful. I'm going to focus on clicker training right now and see how that goes. Yesterday we used the clicker for focus and by the end of her walk she was already showing signs of improvement.
 

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Keep a pouch of treats or containers of treats around the house and hold onto the clicker. If she focuses on you, especially while something exciting is going on (someone outside the window, a squirrel, or she's playing with a toy) and makes eye contact, click and treat.

Check out some youtube videos on the premack principle. There WAS a great youtube video about Premacking for fence fighting, but you basically substitute the dogs on the other side of the fence with any distraction (such as a guest). But now it's private :( I will try to find another one for you.
 
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I recommend watching more Dog Whisperer. The show features a lot of dogs with unwanted behavior and how to get rid of those behavior. Firstly, you must make sure that Fidget knows that you're the pack leader. You must enter or exit a door before her, walk in front of her in walks and don't let her take over your house and furniture. Everytime Fidget shows undesirable behavior, you can "bite" her by forming a little cup with your hand and "zap" her with your cupped hand while you say "ssh!". Over time, you will not need to "bite" her, you will just need to say "ssh!". If you can't picture what I mean, you can also quickly move back when Fidget jumps, so that she will fall. This will make her understand that jumping equals to pain. It doesn't matter if Fidget is still a puppy or already an adult, with dogs you can always start fresh and all over, as I've learned from Cesar Millan. But with adults it's not called training, it's called rehabilitating.
 

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Don't feed the trolls, kids.

You've gotten some great advice - the Premack principle especially is really, really helpful.
 
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Don't feed the trolls, kids.

You've gotten some great advice - the Premack principle especially is really, really helpful.
Not being a troll, just trying to help. If you know the suggestion won't work then just don't use it. No need to call anybody a troll unless if the person is really ill-intended.
 

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