I don't like making this post . . . need advice for a friend

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So, Mike's best friend, who lives in Phoenix, has a dog. Correction, HE doesn't have a dog, his mother has a dog, which she has essentially dumped on him for the past two years. At this point, she won't even let the dog in her house, because she doesn't want to take care of it, and because the dog has medical problems that are communicable to humans and she's afraid she will get sick. She did previously take the dog over to her house when she felt like it, where the dog was spoiled rotten and massively overfed. Then she would dump her again with her son.

The dog is a 2-3 year old border collie mix. I have never met her, so I am relaying this. She is very high energy, or was, however, Mike's friend's mother figures that fat dogs are lazy dogs, and she is now obese. She is dog aggressive. She has nipped at, but never actually bitten, humans. Mike's friend is the only one who can control her in the family, though he people at Petsmart report that they don't have trouble with her. She has chronic giardia, and now has valley fever (a fungus), which has spread from her lungs to her joints and will need constant medication. In other words we have a relatively young, chronically ill, poorly behaved (at least with some people) herding breed who is also, apparently, deeply neurotic.

Mike's friend is sick of taking care of his mother's dog, who he did not want, protested against getting, and doesn't even like very much. He doesn't want any harm to come to the dog, but he is afraid that if he tells his mother that he will not care for the dog any longer, she will have the dog put down or ditch her at a shelter where she will likely be killed as unadoptable.

So, the question I have been asked to ask is whether anyone knows a rescue or a no-kill shelter in the area that will take this poor creature and place her with a family that both wants her and can handle her? I know that many such organizations won't take animals from private citizens, but I'm hoping there is someone out there that will do so. I don't think this is actually a bad dog, but she was very poorly raised (essentially just kept in a yard with a bunch of unfixed dogs), dumped at the city pound, and the adopted by a crazy woman and deposited with her son who didn't want a dog. And she is a very poor breed type for a family that is, um, not athletic.
 

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THat's a really sad story. I sure someone can give her a second chance.
 

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Wow ! Just wow ! At this point I feel the owner should just be out of the picture and the best interest for the dog should be addressed . The poor dog needs help !
 

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Is chronic giardia fixable or essentially so? How about the fungus? What is her physical prognosis like?
 

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Is chronic giardia fixable or essentially so? How about the fungus? What is her physical prognosis like?
I'm getting this pretty much third hand (at work, so I haven't talked to the friend myself). However, my understanding is that the giardia refuses to clear up. They've have the poor creature on medication for years now. It is unclear if the strain is just very resistant, which is possible, or if the yard is now so fully infested with the bacteria that she keeps getting reinfected. She came from the shelter with the problem.

Valley fever is controllable, and it is endemic to Phoenix. Everyone, human or dog, comes down with it in the lungs. I don't know much about it spreading out of the lungs, except that it can be very bad. What has been relayed in her case is that she can certainly live with it, but she will have to be on medication, and will be in some pain (but apparently not agony). My impression is that this problem is one the vet has seen before, and that it is, in effect, rather like having arthretis. But I'd just relaying my understanding.

Wow ! Just wow ! At this point I feel the owner should just be out of the picture and the best interest for the dog should be addressed . The poor dog needs help !
Yes, that's how I feel too. Mike's friend has really gone above and beyond to care for an animal that he emphatically did not want (and said so, loudly, that he did not want another dog, and that when he did want one he would pick one out that suited his lifestyle). He is a videographer, and taking care of this dog has been a major imposition, and an expensive one. Although there are many things he could have done better, he didn't ask for this problem.

His mother is a nightmare, and should frankly never own another animal, though we pretty much all now that if this one goes, she'll probably "rescue" another one in six months and it starts all over. :rolleyes: With some luck, perhaps she'll pick one that is robust enough to handle her neglect.

But, right now Mike, me, and Mike's friend just want to get Cheyenne into a place that will be better for her, and for that matter, better for the humans involved as well.
 

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If there is someone who wants to and is able to save the dog that is great. But if not I hate to say it (flame away) but the dog should be PTS'd.

There are so many healthy dogs with no, or only minor issues that are dying for homes. To drop a dog who is going to take loads of money and time (that could be used to save so many other dogs) on someone else isn't fair.

ETA any chance the woman would cough up some cash to help the dog?
 

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If there is someone who wants to and is able to save the dog that is great. But if not I hate to say it (flame away) but the dog should be PTS'd.

There are so many healthy dogs with no, or only minor issues that are dying for homes. To drop a dog who is going to take loads of money and time (that could be used to save so many other dogs) on someone else isn't fair.

ETA any chance the woman would cough up some cash to help the dog?
Well, she certainly HAS the cash; she's a VP at a major health insurance company, and pretty much throws away the equivalent of my take home pay playing bingo each month (I kid you not). Whether she'll cough it up, or give it to someone else to care for the dog, I don't know. I wouldn't bet on it. But perhaps a sizable "donation"(ok, bribe) to a rescue would be a way out.

I have the same feeling about PTS in this case, but I really doubt Mike's friend will do it. Not that it would be my preferred solution, but that this animal has a ton of problems, and its going to be hard to find anyone who wants her. (I wouldn't take her in a million years, and I'm a sucker.) But the reason the friend hasn't told his mother to take care of her own dang dog is fear that she will do precisely that. He doesn't believe that an animal should lose its life because of the stupidity of people; with which I agree, but he shouldn't be burdened with someone else's mess either.
 

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Call animal control and get that dog removed. ASAP! I'd rather her get out of there now then suffer any longer. Even if the shelter is going to put her down. Better a humane end then sitting out in the yard to rot. By the sounds of it she doesn't have time to sit in that yard any longer for a rescue to come along and save her.
 

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Call animal control and get that dog removed. ASAP! I'd rather her get out of there now then suffer any longer. Even if the shelter is going to put her down. Better a humane end then sitting out in the yard to rot. By the sounds of it she doesn't have time to sit in that yard any longer for a rescue to come along and save her.
Its not quite like that. Mike's friend keeps her in his house (his mother lives elsewhere), and takes care of her. She's been to the vet, a lot. She's not neglected in the sense that she is not fed, or left out in the AZ heat, or not walked. The problem is that her "owner" won't take care of her, and in fact has consistently made things worse, and her "caretaker" is not her owner, doesn't want to be her owner, never wanted to be her owner, can't really afford to be her owner, and is afraid demand her "owner" take care of her because her "owner" is likely to kill her rather than take on the burden of a sick dog (which might infect her), with behavior problems (that she contributed to), and requires attention (because she is a dog).

Edit: To be blunt, there is another motavation here. The mother is a terror. She treats her son like crap, takes advantage of him, bullies him, and generally treats him like he is six when he is thirty. He is tired of putting up with it. He wants out. We've been telling him to pack up and move to L.A. (or New York, or here to D.C.) for years. But to do that he needs to get away from her, and get back to full time work . . . and both of those mean that the dog (which is her sick dog) needs to find another home.

Second Edit: I'd have less sympathy for him if I hadn't been watching this train wreck from a distance for years.
 

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Contact some rescues and see if they can take her? Poor thing. If I was closer and had the resources I'd offer. I hate hearing these kinds of stories. :(
 

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Some clarification on the Valley Fever. It is more serious than I thought in dogs. There is about a 33% chance that she will be fine. There is about a 33% chance that she will promptly die. There is about a 33% chance that she will suffer a long illness that will need to be carefully managed . . . and will then die.
 

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what a sad, frustrating story! I am in the camp of PTS--this poor dog does not really stand a chance of being adopted with all of those health issues. I too am a sucker, and I wouldn't adopt this dog--it just seems like it would be harder for the dog to try and adjust while dealing with a painful disease? What a shame.
 

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As much as it sucks, I'd say PTS too. With that combination of problems, health etc, I don't think adoption would be fair. :( Sorry, I feel for the poor dog, and I feel sorry for the next dog she gets (fingers crossed she will wake up).
 
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wow don't even know what to say to this..... maybe it's best to be pts... don't like that option but :(..... hopefully she's lucky and she finds someone who gives her another chance
 

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Wow, that a tough one.

Well it would definitely be the medical issues that would make me weigh the options of putting her down or giving her a chance at a decent life. Is she suffering? like is she in pain?

The aggresion can be dealt with provided that the owner is responsible.

I had a dog haylee (my sn) she was golden/aussie mix and she was aggresive with people and other dogs but in all of her 13 yrs she never bit anyone because I knew her so well. I tried to work with her but in the end I just came to the conclusion that when she went out in public she'd wear a muzzle, and she did. But when her health started failing was when I made the decision to let her go. It was hard and I miss her everyday but it was the right and humane thing to do.

I really hope things work out for her. Keep us posted.
 

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What has been relayed to me is that they are planning to keep the dog and treat her for Valley fever. There is a 33% chance she'll be fine, which will make keeping her easier or finding her another home easier. There is a 33% chance she'll die, which, unfortunately, would solve the problem. If the result is the long, chronic illness . . . well, I think I will have to recommend that she be put down, unless Mike's friend can convince his mother to make a big donation to a rescue.
 

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