how would you like to be put in a crate??? please educate me

Doberluv · Oct 2, 2007

I LOVE THAT. Can I use it sometime? :lol-sign:

Yup....our Doberdogs are related. LOL. Lyric's wanna come inside bark is this high pitched, girly yelpy thing. It starts on high C and slides down an octave scale and stops like he must be watching a director's wand. Then if I don't sprint fast enough to the door, I can expect to hear a repeat with a decresendo for the last 3 or 4 notes. He's almost ready to give up and lie down and die. These dogs are special, I tell you.

Oh my! *gasp!*" I would never leave my dogs out while I was gone. There are bears, cougars, moose and God knows what other wild animals lurking around this area. It's a little nerve wracking as it is.

eddieq · Oct 2, 2007

People up the street from me have a dal/beagle mix. This dog is outside all the time. 24/7, rain, shine, snow, all weather. It's chained and has a dog house to hang in.

This has to be the most miserable dog I've ever seen in my life. She howls on and off whenever she sees anyone walk past (we call her "monkey dog" because of the sound she makes like a howler monkey). The dog is not socialized nor does it get exercise. All she gets is the smell of fresh air (and diesel fumes from the walmart parking lot).

houndlove · Oct 2, 2007

Our neighbors in Maryland had three outside dogs. They lived in a dog run and each had their own heated dog house and they sort of rotated them around about letting them out of the kennel (translation: released to run around the neighborhood with no tags or identification for 24 hours at a stretch). Oh the howling. Oh! The! HOWLING! Midnight, 2 AM, 4AM, whenever. The neighbors had a nice newly built home with double paned windows and soundproofing. We, next door, did not. Alas for my sleep.

Xerxes · Oct 2, 2007

puppylover2007 said:

Dogs aren't human. Humans aren't canine. That example really doesn't apply nor make sense.

Crates are a refuge, as many have said. Dogs that are crate trained view the crate as a good thing. A crate does many things but first and foremost it limits possibilities. Dogs, if left to their own devices, can do some pretty amazing things. I know people that have come home and found a pile of springs and foam where their couch used to live. People that have come home to find their dog dead, after chewing on electrical wires. People that have come home to find one of their dogs ripped into shreds by their other dogs.

A strong crate, or other type of confinement, eliminates these possibilities. It provides a closed environment where the dog can sleep, knowing that he/she will not be bothered by anything other than dreams.

Leaving a dog, but especially my dog outside would be disastrous in so many ways that it would astound you. My dog barks. Not quiet "hi good to see you" barks, but barks that can be heard quite clearly for hundreds of yards. He can jump 5 feet straight up with no running start. He is smart enough to find the weak spot in anything, and fast enough not to get caught. He could run for hours at over 30mph, and he's intact.

Which is more responsible in my case: confining him inside or allowing him the freedom of the outdoors?

puppylover2007 · Oct 2, 2007

SizzleDog said:

ok, so, let's look at these:
Parasites mmm that is what they have shots for.
Elements, so since when did a little rain wind or storms EVER kill a pup?? i am speaking of lite rain storms and everyday rain.
Poisoning, i could see if you live in a state or city that that happens, so that is valid.
Theft, however, they say there is safety in numbers, all my neighbors have dogs, so, trying to steal one would be highly unlikely.

Elbow calluses, and frostbite a dog gets from SEVERE NEGLECT, i stated that Utah has a law against and is 100% enforced for leaving them out in severe weather conditions, which i stated i would NEVER EVER DO!

Agression- mmm, ya if they were LEFT ALONE WITH NOTHING TO DO!! maybe i should do a post once again of how i plan on taking care of this little guy and go into EXTREME DETAIL.

nusisence barking is nosense, DOGS BARK that is how they communicate how they FEEL! so, now all of a sudden they are a nusiense??!!

Xerxes · Oct 2, 2007

puppylover2007 said:

No, they mostly communicate silently with body language. Barking is a warning to intruders, a sign that they've located quarry or that they are chasing quarry...and a stress reliever symptomatic of boredom.

houndlove · Oct 2, 2007

:lol-sign:

Where are these magical shots that ward off parasites?!?!? Oh yeah, that's right, they don't exist.

So, like it would be totally okay if I moved in next door and my coonhound communicated with you about everything he saw for 30, 40, 50 minutes straight, at 3 AM? You wouldn't find that a nuisance? Good to know. Because most municipalities have a "nuisance barking" law and your dog can be confiscated.

Paige · Oct 2, 2007

Wind and rain can make a dog cold. It may not kill a dog but he probably isn't comfortable out there either.

Charliesmommy · Oct 2, 2007

Wow. For someone who knows soooooooooooo much about dogs, I would think you would know that you cannot give a dog a shot to keep them from getting parasites.

~Jessie~ · Oct 2, 2007

Charliesmommy said:

LOL! I was thinking the same thing

There would be so many less deaths in this world if there was some amazing shot that would ward off parasite!

Cheetah · Oct 2, 2007

puppylover2007 said:

You don't get shots for parasites, you get them for diseases, such as rabies, parvo, distemper. Although, there are ways to help prevent them. Letting a dog sit outside in the elements isn't one of them >^_~<

puppylover2007 said:

My mom had a perfectly PROTECTION TRAINED dog when I was younger. She let her out to go potty one evening, and she was stolen out of the yard. This dog would NOT have let a stranger in the yard, so we're thinking they darted her or something. ANY dog can be stolen out of a yard if left alone.

puppylover2007 said:

Elbow calluses are gotten from a dog lying on a hard surface

puppylover2007 said:

Maybe you should. How are we supposed to know without details?

puppylover2007 said:

There IS nuisance barking. It is caused by the dog sitting outside alone and bored. A bored dog finds things to do, and barking at everything is one. Dogs also bark frantically to be let inside. If they are left out there to bark nonstop, it CAN be considered "nuisance barking" and animal control can be called.

MelissaCato · Oct 2, 2007

I personally don't crate and never will. I use them for flight travels and that's it.

Cheetah · Oct 2, 2007

And that's your choice, but I don't see you going around telling anyone who does that they're monsters.

Beanie · Oct 2, 2007

puppylover2007 said:

What exactly does that mean? My mom grew up in a small town and she had dogs shot, poisoned, and stolen. And this was when everybody and their neighbour thought it was cool to let your dog go wandering around outside. It doesn't matter if you're in a big city of somewhere "that that happens" - it does happen and can happen ANYWHERE.
Do you really want your dog to be the first one to establish "that that happens" in your area..?

Also, perhaps you should check the health forum and read my post on poisonous mushrooms - and before you say you don't "have mushrooms," read my post CAREFULLY. =>
Not to mention toads, lizards, snakes, spiders, bees - all kinds of other things that can poison and do serious damage to a dog. And they're all natural things. That you'd find outside.

Hillside · Oct 2, 2007

Yeah, sure they are a nuissance, to the neighbors that don't like dogs or even the ones that do but don't want to listen to them bark constantly.

So there are shots to protect dogs from bees and other stinging bugs now? Fleas and ticks aren't the only bugs you have to worry about.

Rain doesn't have to kill a pup to make it miserable. The "everyday" rain we've been having here in Iowa lately has been so bad that you haven't been able to see more than a few feet ahead of you while driving. Plus a regular storm here can turn into a tornado or just plain nasty in a hurry.

So your neighbors are all home constantly and watching your house the whole time? If so, I personally would be kind of creeped out. Have you ever seen the tv show "It takes a thief"? They would break into the targets house in broad daylight and none of the neighbors were ever suspicious. Stealing someones dog is a little bit easier than breaking into thier house. A simple "I'm John Q Public of Daytime Dogwalkers" would probably put any of thier minds to rest and they would go on with thier day. If a person acts like they belong somewhere, most people generally let it slide.

I'll freely admit though that my dog is in a crate because it is conveinentfor me. It's conveinet for me NOT to worry about him getting into anything he shouldn't when I am not home( eating the carpeting, eating the bunny, the bed, the walls, electrical cords, etc.) It would be very inconvientent for me to go to the vet to have pricey surgery done to remove a foreign object from his system. He isn't left outside either because he would scream his head off and probably destroy anything he could get his mouth on for lack of anything better to do. That and if anything ever happened to him that I could have prevented, like theft or poisoning, I'd die.

joce · Oct 2, 2007

I didn't read all this-

but I will say I don't have lasting harm from being in a crib or playpen when I was little. I doubt my dogs do either.

Not to mention its good for a dog to be able to be in a crate seeing as how it could one day be a safety issue for them or if something was to happen to you a plus with re homing.

Most dogs never crate trained will flip out in a crate. If you can use one just for travel lucky for you!

And I'm lost as to someone can be against crating yet they let there dog sit outside alone? makes no sense.

SharkyX · Oct 2, 2007

So you think because all your neighbours have dogs nobody would ever go into your backyard and take your dog if it was value? Interesting... let us know how that works out.

Shots for parasites? hmm well no... you can't get a shot for ticks and mites... you can't get shots for mosquitos, horse flys, black flys and so forth. You can get preventatives like Sentinal or Revolution but even still none of these protect against everything.

And you're making the assumption all weather will be light average rain... now and again people get torrential downpoors, hail, freezing rain and a myriad of other freak conditions. And I'm sure you've noticed weather forcasters inability to actually forcast weather.

A wild animal doesn't have to be large to cause a dog damage... what if a skunk got into your yard.. porcupine... even squirrels or birds that have diseases that dogs can catch.

Humans don't do well in confined spaces... hence things like claustrophobia... hopefully I spelled that correct.
Dogs voluntarily get into crates even when the door is open because it's somewhere they like to be.
As has been stated.. dogs aren't humans... nor are humans dogs despite our preference to now and again refer to each other as bitches... you would not poop in the back yard, enjoy chewing on a bone for hours at a time greet somebody by sniffing there crotch or eat your own vomit seconds after throwing it up so why would this comparison be valid?
I think you have people who use a crate as a method of training or as temporary confinement out of necesity confused with people who crate there dogs to the point of abuse or neglect.

Other then your continual dogs need to run, which has frequently been countered by the fact that many posters dogs voluntarily get into there crates when they don't have to, and your comparison to making a person spending an equal amount of time in a confined space, which has also proven to be an invalid point since dogs and people aren't the same... you haven't really given a reason to not crate dogs.

You've made this thread asking why, yet when people explain there reasoning you proceed to dump on them for it.
So let me ask you... why not? Do you have anything to suggest it's bad for the dog other then your personal opinion on a dog needing more space?

Oh and one more thing... frostbite a dog can get from in simply being cold... if you leave a dog outside that is not equipped to handle a cold temperature it can get frostbite in a very short period of time despite that it could be a very well taken care of dog. Dogs get frostbitten ears from the small amount of hair to protect them... not because there owner is a deadbeat.

Bahamutt99 · Oct 2, 2007

puppylover2007 said:

Nuisance barking is a very real thing. My neighbor has a Cairn that she leaves outside much of the time, and if I am only lightly asleep, that dog's barking will keep me awake. I do not own this dog, it was not my choice to acquire her, so how is it fair that I should have to endure sleepless nights? If you own a dog, you have a responsibility to keep that dog from negatively affecting your neighbors. That means you scoop poop, keep your dogs contained, and keep them from barking excessively or during normal sleep hours.

Nuisance barking will get you a very real fine in some areas. It is categorized with complaints like overgrown weeds, stagnant water, etc. It is a disagreeable situation which can detract from peoples' ability to enjoy their property. And believe that people do have a right to enjoy their property without noise nuisances -- like loud music or barking dogs -- interfering. There have been successful lawsuits against dog owners stemming from excessive barking.

Doberluv · Oct 2, 2007

I bet most of you have this too, but right now I have a warm, fuzzy feeling. It's raining outside and yucky and my dogs are all in the den with me, curled up asleep. (Even Jose` and Lyric are right smack dab next to each other) They're the ones that had a little snarky problem months ago...all cured. Anyhow, it warms my heart that my dogs and so many of yours are having a happy dog's life right together with their humans...how dogs were designed through evolution and domestication to enjoy.

Mind you....that is not to say that all dogs are not OK being outside kenneled some of the time. There are exceptions I think....some Huskies probably get too hot inside or some more independent type breeds. Some of the big sheep guardian breeds that are imprinted and socialized mainly to their sheep and living in the barn with them is normal to them. But most pet type dogs desire nothing more than to spend their time, most of it....with their family.

Beanie · Oct 2, 2007

All I know is that yesterday, it was cold and wet and nasty outside, and I was tired, but I had to get up, get ready, and go to work...
and Auggie was sprawled in his crate, cuddled up with his head on his big stuffed green puppy, looking super comfortable. And he looked at me... and decided he was just going to stay in bed.

So. jealous. >=<

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