How to teach gentle play

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Does anyone have a way to teach the puppy to play more gently. I've tried ignoring him when he gets rough, I've tried putting him in the crate, but he still seems to be pretty aggressive when playing. He has a wide range of toys, as he gets older he gets more power in the jaws, so i would like to stop the problem before its to late.
 

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when you say rough do you mean with his mouth or does he physically knock into you and stuff? Are you playing with your hand or his toys?
 
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How long have you been working with him on this?

When I worked with Duke on his biting it took a little less than 2 months. Of course there where 4 other people not following the rules.
 

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he bites its been about a month in a half. I play with his toys but he doesn't care what he is biting, sometimes it seems like her prefers to chew on my hand than his toy because he will go around the toy to get the hand. it really kills play time. I was wondering if we should buy harder toys he has a few stuff animals, frisbee, chewable tennis balls, rubber bones with ribbs for teething, and nyloabone, and the great kong.
 

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I give my Taylor a firm "no" and get up and ignore him for a while. He now knows his limit (bite inhibition). He sometimes still nip me and sometimes accidently bite my hand when I play with him and his toys. I get up, put the toy away, and stop playing for a while. He needs to learn to watch my hand!

If that doesn't work, my friend used bitter apple spray on her hands with her mom's dog. You can buy the spray at any animal stores.
 

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If ignoring does not work it's usually because you (or anybody else in the household) are not consistent enough or you have not been doing it long enough. Some people expect it to work after three times but it won't.

So start playing with him, Let him bite but as soon as it passes from gentle to painful stand up and turn your back to the puppy (you can say ouch first if you want). Ignore him for a minute then get back down and continue play. Repeat this over and over. Anybody who wants to play with the dog must do the same thing. make sure you never let him get away with painful bites, the game must end when he does not follow the rules. You can get more toys if he does not like the type he has, get ones he can really chew and tug at. Make sure you play with his toys so he knows as long as his teeth are biting those the game continues but as soon as they hurt the hand the game ends.
 

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I am a huge fan of the "yelp and walk away" method of training introduced to the puppy by its littermates. I got Milo waaaaay too young (under 7 weeks) and he didn't have the adequate time to learn this on his own. We went through MONTHS of rough play before I learned how to train bite inhibition. Puppy skin is much tougher than human skin, so the kind of bite that a littermate can tolerate is much fiercer than the kind of bite a human can. I wanted Milo to think that my skin was the most delicate, flower-petaled substance in the world... so I yelped and walked away EVERY TIME his teeth touched my hand at first. Then, once he learned the difference between toy and flesh and really backed off, I started to yelp only when he applied any pressure. For us, this method really worked -- maybe took about a month of solid, concentrated effort on both of our parts.

Now that he knows bite inhibition, he has never hurt any person, large or small. Once, I caught the tail end of an incident where he was being harrassed by a rude neighbor child. He was giving all the right signals -- growling, freezing, turning his back, etc. When he finally had enough and lashed out with a scary-sounding bark/growl and lunged at the child, I ran over to inspect the damage. The child was startled, but confirmed that Milo had merely "tapped" the child's arm with his teeth.

Good boy, Milo!
 

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I am a huge fan of the "yelp and walk away" method of training introduced to the puppy by its littermates.<<snipped>> so I yelped and walked away EVERY TIME his teeth touched my hand at first. Then, once he learned the difference between toy and flesh and really backed off, I started to yelp only when he applied any pressure. For us, this method really worked -- maybe took about a month of solid, concentrated effort on both of our parts.
This is the method I have used with great success. I also do not encourage rough play (wrestling) with the dog.

I even created a rule for myself if we do roughhouse: He doesn't get to use his teeth and I don't get to use my thumbs.
 
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We had the same problem with our puppy for some time. The yelping and ignoring is very useful, it might not seem to work at first but keep it up, it definitly will. I agree that the biting does limit play and we were getting very frusterated because it seemed like all Osa wanted to do was bite us. Think of it this way, your puppy sees you as a huge toy, thats why he is wanting to bite and play with you. Make sure that he is playing with the toy and that you are mearly the ref. It seemed like it took forever for Osa to learn but when she did, it was like night and day. Now we can play for hours without her biting at us. It is almost like she woke up one day and thought, well, they have been training me not to bite them, I guess I won't.

Also, try to keep track if there are any situations were she is more bitey than other (you sitting on the floor, outside play, etc.) and try to stay away from those situations. Then when she is not biting anymore, slowly add those situations back in.

Good Luck !!
 

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I even created a rule for myself if we do roughhouse: He doesn't get to use his teeth and I don't get to use my thumbs.
I think this is brilliant. It's hard to inflict any sort of discomfort during play without thumbs, and it reinforces the message we are sending to the dogs. I've heard that dogs may view our hands in the same way that they view their own mouths -- the useful body part, which picks things up, communicates, etc. If we can't use our thumbs, we are in essence tapping them lightly with our "mouths" as we are asking them to do.

I really like this way of thinking about things. Thanks.
 

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I really hate that new owners feel that they have to have ANY rough play with young pups !!! This should only be done between dogs .....or if you want to develop a Kujo !
 

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I really hate that new owners feel that they have to have ANY rough play with young pups !!! This should only be done between dogs .....or if you want to develop a Kujo !
They don't have to but it teaches the dog to have a soft mouth. He can use his mouth on you but will learn never to use it too hard. If the dog never gets his mouth on your hands he will never learn that control and if something happens where he must, or feels the need to use his mouth on you then you will not be hurt. Like in malmo's case where the dog snapped at the child. If the dog did not know how to control his bite he may have seriously harmed the kid. Dogs who rescue people, particularly in water, need a soft mouth so they keep a grasp on the person they are rescuing without hurting them.

You should not rough play with your dog if you have no boundaries. Letting a dog rough play and actually cause pain will cause a dog with a tendency to bite to play and unlike a soft mouthed dog his could harm you. But if you play with your hands and teach them how hard is too hard then they will not hurt you with their mouths since they know what hurts you and what does not.

(I probably explained that very poorly but I tried!)
 

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thanks, I understand what you are saying, i am trying to do all the right things with him to insure he has a wonderful life with me an my family and we have a wonderful time with him. I will continue to use the advice giving and give updates on any progress.

thanks
Gustov's dad
 

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update

I just wanted to take this time and thank everyone who was helpful to me and let you all know that gustov has started to bite lot softer. though i haven't been able to get him to stop biting at least he is only biting softier. So once again I just wanted to say Thans for all the advice.


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I just wanted to <snip> let you all know that gustov has started to bite lot softer. though i haven't been able to get him to stop biting at least he is only biting softier. So once again I just wanted to say Thans for all the advice.
This is great! It's so nice to hear a follow-up and to know you are on the right track. Several other people have asked about this since you did, and I hope they read and get some hope that the techniques do work if you stick with them.

Good luck!
 

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