How to manage In heat dog indoors?

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I'm an apartment dweller and have had to avoid some really nice bitches because of this issue, I dont want to spay her if I get one, so whats the best solution? right now I am looking at a cocker spaniel as well as a male poodle that I would like to cross her with.
 

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We at Chaz do not support or condone needless mix breeding of pet dogs while COUNTLESS pet dogs die in shelters every day.

My advice is to get a dog and spay her. If you don't want to spay her, be responsible and supervise her constantly when she's in heat (or contain her safely). If you don't want to spay her AND you want to breed her, buy a show quality puppy from a breeder who health tests, shows, works and temperament tests their dogs, sells dogs on a contract, and makes you jump through hoops to prove that you have no intentions of mix breeding, breeding her to an unproven male, breeding her before proving her conformation and health, or selling puppies to anyone less than an excellent owner. First you will need to train her in obedience and conformation, spend time and money exhibiting her in shows and prove that she is a superb example of the breed, wait until she's at least 2 years old to health test her (and Cockers have many health and temperament issues in the breed that she will need to be cleared of), make connections with people in the breed and people who are interested in your bitch's puppies... THEN find a stud who compliments her and who has also been finished in shows & health tested. Then pay a hefty stud fee. Then save up lots of money for the possibility of a c-section or other complications, as well as prenatal care, puppy check-ups, puppy shots and puppy evaluations (to determine if they are show or pet quality). You will also be spending much of your free time, if not all of it, caring for the puppies, socializing the puppies, feeding them and possibly bottle feeding them around the clock, talking to potential buyers and screening their references/Vets, writing up contracts to be sure that the people who buy your puppies are going to spay/neuter pet puppies, responsibly show and breed show quality puppies, and to be positive that your puppies do not end up in shelters.
 

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I'm an apartment dweller and have had to avoid some really nice bitches because of this issue, I dont want to spay her if I get one, so whats the best solution? right now I am looking at a cocker spaniel as well as a male poodle that I would like to cross her with.
I guess I don't really understand your question.... you haven't been able to get a "really nice" dog because she goes into heat? Even the mediocre bitches go into heat. :p

Maybe you need to clarify your question?
 

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umm..welcome to the forum

I would just like to say AGREED on gonzos post. there is a lot more to breeding, having pups and being a breeder than bitches and heats so please stick around and do some research

If the issue is you can't afford a spay etc.. shelters always adopt out dogs already altered
 

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Cocker Spaniel + Poodle = mutt you can find at any and every pound, shelter, and rescue across America.
 

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Well no one will sell you a nice cocker bitch, unless you lie and well then you will never get a second, and will be shunned (as you should be if you lie)

Also, there is no different looking after a bitch in heat whether you live in apartment, a house or on a farm..
 
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First off, no breeder anyone should be buying from is going to sell you a "nice dog" without a spay/neuter contract.

Rescues require spay/neuter.

Purposely breeding "cute mutts" when, as has already been said, there are countless numbers of the same kinds of dogs languishing and dying in shelters is . . . well, mildly put, absolutely thoughtless at best; heartless if one stops and thinks about that fact and does it anyway. No one who would make that choice after being cognizant of that can possibly be considered to be someone who cares about dogs.

Good breeders breed for the betterment of their chosen breed, not for money or for sh1ts and giggles.
 

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Purposely breeding "cute mutts" when, as has already been said, there are countless numbers of the same kinds of dogs languishing and dying in shelters is . . . well, mildly put, absolutely thoughtless at best; heartless if one stops and thinks about that fact and does it anyway. No one who would make that choice after being cognizant of that can possibly be considered to be someone who cares about dogs.
:hail: Well said, as always.
 

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I have to 3rd or 4th or what ever it is we are on about the breeding for mutts(or bucks how ever you want to look at it). No good breeder is going to sell you one of their nice looking bitches for you to turn around and breed to a different breed.
 

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If you live in an apartment, you should not be thinking about get ANY bitch to breed for any reason.

Seriously, have you ever seen the whelping mess? Smelled it? Do you know how much poop a litter of 9 puppies produces in a single day? I'm willing to be your housing manager would not be okay with it, regardless of whether you are breeding an AKC champion cocker spaniel that won Crufts dog show and had field and agility titles up the wazoo, or cute pet mutts. Apartments are not an appropriate place to whelp puppies and raise a litter.
 

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If you live in an apartment, you should not be thinking about get ANY bitch to breed for any reason.

Seriously, have you ever seen the whelping mess? Smelled it? Do you know how much poop a litter of 9 puppies produces in a single day? I'm willing to be your housing manager would not be okay with it, regardless of whether you are breeding an AKC champion cocker spaniel that won Crufts dog show and had field and agility titles up the wazoo, or cute pet mutts. Apartments are not an appropriate place to whelp puppies and raise a litter.
Good point Romy. I never even thought of adding that aspect of it. Puppies do equal lots of poop AND with poop comes smell.
 

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Depends. Around here you can live in an apt but it can be half a house.. not necessarily an apt building with little units.

but that also brings up good points. If you DO live on the 5th floor sort of thing how on earth would you start potty training outside?
 
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Thanks for all the advice but let me tell you a little about pets in Pakistan, they are rarely if ever abandonned, you never find an imported breed or its crossbred mutt ever on the roads or in shelters waiting to be put to sleep, there are no temprament concerns, health issues are dealth with as they come, pets are bred for no other purpose then being pets or in some cases guard dogs, sniffers in rescue or related work and for hunting.

The only animals that are mutts, mongerals, strays on roads are local short haird cats and dogs which resemble dalmations in solid colours or skinny labs and are rarely if ever kept as pets, they are naturally wild and free only people from western influenced lifestyle are suddenly labelling them as adoptable or worthy of shelter, though cats are more popular as pets from amongst these, I too have fostered some.

There are no kennels or shelters as such like I said imported dogs and cats their crossbred mutts are never abandonned they are sold off or given for adoption via classifieds and are taken by some one eventually, unwanted pets are never ever put to sleep, the likes of popular breeds here, persians, siamase, labs, dalmations, german sheps, rotts, dobermans or their crosses etc as strays would be picked up and sold or adopted immediately by even the most uneducated person here they seem to be aware of uniqueness of foreign breeds.

So no issues that you face in the west, except for discerning breeders who want improved stock for whatever reason and that too is limited to german sheperd, rotts and labs no one is interested in other types for proper breeding.

Finding an abandonned cockerpoo most likely a case of lost, stolen or runaway pet, let alone a pure cocker here would be like discovering gold, it would be either adopted or sold for a profit, in anycase it would find a home no matter what.
 

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How does that contradict what pups r cute said? Developing countries have stray (I think a better term is probably "feral") dogs... I don't think anyone disputed this.

When we breed purebred dogs over here, we say that yes, there are shelter mutts, but there are people are looking for a dog with specific traits. Which is all the OP is saying.

I have no doubt that they're telling the truth when they say that you don't find stray cockapoos.

To the OP, I would say that you should still be discerning about the health of the dogs you choose, and if it is available to you, you should health test the parents. Take pride in the animals you sell. You can buy panties to put on females when they come into heat to keep the mess down.

I agree with whoever said that dog breeding is probably not something you want to do in an apartment lol. The thought scares me lol. IMO you should wait till you have some sort of a yard before breeding.
 

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That is sickening Renee. Just horrific!
There are no kennels or shelters as such like I said imported dogs and cats their crossbred mutts are never abandonned
Stray dogs/feral dogs HAVE been abandoned by someone, somewhere down the line in their background, either way back or more recently. Breeding more mixed breed dogs before taking care of the feral dogs' needs is just sad. Being feral, having to forage for megar hand outs, wandering around streets is no way for a once domestic dog to live, even if it's dogs that were born into this life and not just his forbearers. These aren't wild dogs. They're feral. They're often sickly, carry rabies and are just barely making it a lot of the time. So, to say there aren't shelters and that equates with not having a problem is just wrong.

I am not feeling a good feeling about your idea of breeding mixed breed dogs in your specific situation.
 

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Likely any smaller, captive raised pet dogs that are abandoned are eaten by starving ferals before too long.
 

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That is sickening Renee. Just horrific! Stray dogs/feral dogs HAVE been abandoned by someone, somewhere down the line in their background, either way back or more recently. Breeding more mixed breed dogs before taking care of the feral dogs' needs is just sad. Being feral, having to forage for megar hand outs, wandering around streets is no way for a once domestic dog to live, even if it's dogs that were born into this life and not just his forbearers. These aren't wild dogs. They're feral. They're often sickly, carry rabies and are just barely making it a lot of the time. So, to say there aren't shelters and that equates with not having a problem is just wrong.

I am not feeling a good feeling about your idea of breeding mixed breed dogs in your specific situation.
Exactly, the feral dogs are in such good shape there that our soldiers over in Afghanistan/Iraq adopt strays and such to feed while they're over there, some have even brought them back to the US.

So rather than being in a shelter being fed then put to sleep, they're out roaming and starving to death, dying of disease or injury - sounds a whole lot better to me :rolleyes:
 

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