How long has your small breed been around?

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  1. misticaleclipse

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    With all the talk about "real" dogs and why they where bred etc
    it make me think about how long a breed has been around and
    what they where created for.

    I found a few surprises

    All information found on
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  2. misticaleclipse

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  3. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    LOL well, I was going to tell you the papillon (Continental Toy Spaniel) has been in paintings starting at about the 1400s, but you've got that covered already. It's a pretty old breed.
     
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    The basenji is an ancient breed and can be found in Egyptian hieroglyphics.
     
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    I have a Brussels Griffon--they came about in the 17th century or before as vermin hunters!
     
  6. misticaleclipse

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    I never would have guessed they where one of the oldest actually.
    Its strange, I have never seen a papillon in person
     
  7. misticaleclipse

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    What a beauty. I have never seen one of them in person either

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  9. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Aww, you need to meet mine, they're loads of fun. :D

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    1400s-1600s I believe (Picture is 1930s(ish))

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    1600s(?)- one of the first erect eared pictures

    I do have to say papillons are A LOT better looking nowadays.

    So I'm not sure where anyone would get the idea that 'lap dog' breeds were newer creations.
     
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    Nice paintings, I agree they do look a different these days, the snout
    and ears look different to me. Could just be the painters though.
     
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    My mom has a maltese. And...wow. I could not believe how ancient this breed is. From what I read online, they estimate it originated around 6,000 B.C. The first images of it were found on Greek vases dating from approximately 500 B.C. So, just going by the vases alone, that's at least......2,500 years old? Holy cow! :yikes:
     
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    Pugs are believed to be one of the most ancient breeds on earth dating back to 400 B.C.! They originated in China and eventually became popular many years later in England and parts of Europe.

    They were mainly bred and kept as pets and considered good luck charms for the royals and would accompany them on their thrones (sp). It was not unusual for the pugs to actually be garded by soldiers.

    Pugs were and still are a true companion breed. :)

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    My guys have been around for a very long time too! :hail:

    "The Italian Greyhound is a very old Greyhound. Interestingly, a dog similar to the Italian Greyhound of today was found in a 6000 year old Egyptian tomb. Like the Greyhound, this breed was brought to Europe by the Phoenicians. The breed was later developed by the Romans. As evidence, a small Greyhound was found in an ancient lava flow in Pompeii. During the sixteenth century, this delicate dog became popular with European nobility, and is portrayed in many paintings of that time. The breed was favored by Catherine the Great of Russia, James I of England, Anne of Denmark and Queen Victoria, among others. Frederick the Great of Prussia liked his little Italian Greyhound so much, he even took one to war with him. When his Italian Greyhound died, he buried him with his own hands on the grounds of his Sands Souci Palace. In 1991, Frederick's family granted his dying wishes and transferred his remains to Sans Souci, and placed them beside his little Italian Greyhound. A nineteenth century African chieftain was so taken with these graceful dogs that he offered 200 cattle in exchange for a single specimen. The Italian Greyhound is an excellent companion dog."
     
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    Sapphire-Light woof!

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    Also the pekineses over 2000 years

    Hehehe! they are somewhat like long haired pugs.


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    I love how the fantasy history of the creation of the breed is


    Sadly in my country pekingeses are the breed thathave suffered more mixing.

    People think if a dog is furry and small is a pekingese :yikes: 99.9% of them dosen't even look a bit like a purebred pekingese. :mad:
     
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    I've read that the dogs brought from Tibet were the Lhasa Apsos, which were then mixed with a Chinese dog to create the Shih Tzu.

    They just did a great documentary on PBS on the origins of dogs, based on current DNA studies. Very cool show.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/dog/

    They also identified what they consider to be the 14 ancient breeds "that controversial genetic studies show are the most ancient-and the best living representatives of the ancestors to all living dogs".

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/dog/map.html

    In the 2nd part of the show they were talking about the physical changes in the breeds over the years and they showed the English Bulldog as a prime example of that - it looks nothing like it used to in the 1800s.
     
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    noludoru Bored Now.

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    :yikes: Puppymill!

    Cool facts about your breeds, guys. :D

    I think the idea behind small breeds being newer is that people often think large dogs were around longer b/c of their size in relation to wolves, and the smaller dogs took hundreds of years to breed down to smaller sizes.
     
  18. Cassiepeia

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    Geez, it is too!! I never even noticed that when I clicked on the link first time. :(

    Cass.
     
  19. Sapphire-Light

    Sapphire-Light woof!

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    That's interesting, but the akita photo there is NOT the original ancient breed, is the american akita, a breed that exist afther the second world war, when they where many akita mixes whit GSD and mastiff and the american soldiers came whit those dogs not knowing they wheren't pure breed.

    a more detailed info here http://www.tamarlane.com/dillema.htm

    I know many people here alredy knew this, but just to point the mistake on the pbs site.
     

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