How far is too far when mixing dogs for sports?

[-bogart-]

So can someone explain how sport mix's = good and poo/doodle mix's = bad?

BESIDES health testing that is , which is the first thing someone always says when i ask.
And why is a dog game more important than being a good companion. (which is what i think of when i see a doodle/poo mix)

So if the border jack or what ever sport mix is heath tested it is okay to buy.

So if someone health test / temp test / cgc a chihuahua and a yorkie , the the resulting chorkie are okay to buy.


I am all over the place on this topic lately and want some other input , cause them merle chorkies are in my freaking dreams. lol

 

[Shai]

I'm with everyone else saying that as long as breeders perform relevant heath tests on their dogs (and the dogs pass) and educate themselves on the ancestry of their dogs (for things that don't have specific health tests), have some sort of method for determining that their dog has a stable temperament suited for the intended purpose, strive to produce dogs without debilitating physical traits, and are committed to ensuring every dog they produce has a safe place to land, no matter what, for the entire life of the dog...then I really have no protest to most breedings.

 

[Fran101]

So can someone explain how sport mix's = good and poo/doodle mix's = bad?

BESIDES health testing that is , which is the first thing someone always says when i ask.
And why is a dog game more important than being a good companion. (which is what i think of when i see a doodle/poo mix)

So if the border jack or what ever sport mix is heath tested it is okay to buy.

So if someone health test / temp test / cgc a chihuahua and a yorkie , the the resulting chorkie are okay to buy.


I am all over the place on this topic lately and want some other input , cause them merle chorkies are in my freaking dreams. lol

I don't know how others feel.. but personally, I don't see a difference nor do I think one is superior over the other.

In both cases, you are mixing two breeds hoping to achieve a certain result (short high drive flyball dog, non shedding labmix, pug with longer snout, fast agility dog etc..)
and in BOTH cases, some puppies don't turn out the way you hoped.

Done responsibly (with health testing, proper care etc..) and homes prepared for the "ideal mix" as well as the "non ideal" (for example labradoodles that shed heavily curly hair or low-drive mixes not fit for sports)
and with HONEST and integrity (including telling people that NO not all goldendoodles don't shed, not all borderjacks will be agility stars, and that when mixing two breeds, you don't always get the best of both)

then I am totally ok with it, personally.

 

[Dekka]

So can someone explain how sport mix's = good and poo/doodle mix's = bad?

My take on it is that doodles don't breed true. Yet people are claiming they are breeds. No one is saying these sport bred mixes are anything but mixes.

If doodle breeders were honest and did health testing and titles I have no beef with them at all. Doodles aren't inherintly bad, its how they are marketed by lies.

No shed.. lie
breed with consistent standards.. lie
can't be shown in anything so no titles.. lie
hybrid vigour so no health testing needed.. lie
etc etc..

That is what pisses me off.

That and people charge and get far more for their non health tested, non guaranteed, non anything puppies than good breeders often do due to these lies.

 

[elegy]

So if someone health test / temp test / cgc a chihuahua and a yorkie , the the resulting chorkie are okay to buy.

Sure, though I've yet to come across someone doing that. What I object to in the small breed mixes is that they're almost exclusively petstore puppies, or being bred by people who know and do the bare minimum.

 

[Bahamutt99]

...but if what I want can only be found on the footlands of the mountains in Siberia and obtained by trading 17 goats and a nubile young woman, it doesn't do me much good.

:rofl1::hail::rofl1::hail:

On the subject at hand, it was mentioned that mom was used for flyball. Well, you could say that I used Loki for weight pull but while she was good, she's not a phenomenal puller and retired after UWPCH. So it begs the question, is mom phenomenal at flyball? The best? What about the cool daddy-o that contributed his genes? Phenomenal at flyball? The best?

I don't like making mutts for sport, but I like it better than making mutts for pets (a la Cocker-doodle-poo). But if the mutts are not improving upon what is already there, then why?

 

[Linds]

I'm not sure I think much of anything we do with our dogs these days is more important than flyball. I consider flyball, pet dogs, agility, herding that isn't genuine farm work, all the PP sports, and freestyle all equally worthy if you are the one looking for it. Not a single one is something humanity can't live without. They are all luxuries.

Do I think that was a responsible breeding or a good idea? Not at all, going from the limited information we have. Do I think breeding sport mixes can be done responsibly? Hell yes. Breeding dogs who are brilliant at their job, physically and mentally suited to it, and have a place with people who are seeking that dog, will never be wrong in my book.

Now granted, my "sport mix" is a rescue of unknown parentage. But he's just what I would have been looking for in a purchased dog. And I can't think of a single purebred that would have fit that niche. Saying "we have enough breeds" is silly. As stated in the original post, if people weren't looking for these dogs, nobody would be breeding them still.

Umm yeah, pretty much exactly what she said. I kept trying to think of something to add and nothing is coming to mind.

 

[Grab]

Others commented what I'd already say on the topic at hand. I'll just note that, while probably a fabulous companion, my goodness that's an awkwardly put together dog

 

[spottyspaniel]

On the subject at hand, it was mentioned that mom was used for flyball. Well, you could say that I used Loki for weight pull but while she was good, she's not a phenomenal puller and retired after UWPCH. So it begs the question, is mom phenomenal at flyball? The best? What about the cool daddy-o that contributed his genes? Phenomenal at flyball? The best?

I don't like making mutts for sport, but I like it better than making mutts for pets (a la Cocker-doodle-poo). But if the mutts are not improving upon what is already there, then why?

This is my thought exactly. I like that your breeding for some type of purpose and if you dog is as great as it gets they whoopie do, bake yourself a pie and eat it all!

But without health testing, and heavy screening of temperament/lineage etc. the dog is virtually worthless to me as a working dog. I want a dog that will preform, and hold up to the demands of fly ball; but will also be an overall healthy, happy dog.

Nothing says if you cross these 2 dogs, you getting a little pocket, flying, rocket.

With the mom's structure alone, there is nothing screaming I'm wicked fast and phenomenal. Really no adventurous traits, I would waste resources breeding for.

But that's just me.

(Ok is just me or is the mom's head just, I don't know, alien like?)